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I agree. However the agent here with the power is the state and local and federal government. They're just going to do drones next if they can't do sensor mast

I agree. However the agent here with the power is the state and local and federal government. They're just going to do drones next if they can't do sensor masts. Everyone who authorized this funding needs to be voted out. If we really care the signal is to take away the power of people who decided to use this.

recursivedoubts 2mo ago
If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us do it. Stop blaming the victims.
- nicman23 2mo ago
  lol trump got voted in. i blame the voters - there are not victims here
  - deleted 2mo ago
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  - RobotToaster 2mo ago
    You think Cop Kamala would've opposed flock? lol, lmao even.
    - SpicyLemonZest 2mo ago
      I think memes and political bubbles are making it very hard for people to reason through the actual principles and mechanisms of democratic governance. The reason the system keeps trying to make you vote for people like "Cop Kamala" is that most Americans like the police (https://news.gallup.com/poll/690959/racial-divide-policing-narrows-years-floyd-death.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/690959/racial-divide-policing-n...); there's no secret set of popular anti-police candidates who some shadowy "they" aren't allowing you to vote for.
      - nicman23 2mo ago
        accountability? for MY actions?
- saghm 2mo ago
  Can you be more specific? Are you claiming that the winner is not actually whoever gets the most votes (e.g. voter fraud, corrupt vote counting), or that someone who would not authorize something like this would literally not be allowed to show up on the ballot? Those are the only two scenarios I can think of that would result in the conclusion you're stating. As far as I can tell, people who claim the former are almost overwhelming the ones voting for the people who are worst about stuff like this. I've honestly never seen anyone claim the latter though, so if that's what you believe, elaborating more would be helpful.
  - RobotToaster 2mo ago
    The last person to stand for president who managed to get political momentum and wanted real change in the system was Eugene Debs, and they arrested him.
    - iamnothere 2mo ago
      Two others: Bernie Sanders (prevented from winning the primary via unelected superdelegates) Ross Perot (suddenly withdrew under murky circumstances and later claimed his family was threatened) Both wanted significant change, although they were reformists rather than revolutionaries.
      - runako 2mo ago
        Am I missing something here? Perot was on the ballot in 1992, and he won a bunch of votes. IIRC he was the most successful independent candidate in modern times, by vote count. Sanders ran an insurgent campaign while denigrating the party, and didn't win more votes. I seriously don't understand the argument that the person with fewer votes should win the nomination, although I am receptive to hearing a coherent articulation thereof. (Superdelegates did not enter the picture until tens of millions of votes were cast, with Sanders trailing by millions of votes.)
        iamnothere 2mo ago
- Clent 2mo ago
  Except there are multiple efforts to make voting more difficult.
pluralmonad 2mo ago
I think my vote might be broken. It keeps not working.
- AndrewKemendo 2mo ago
  Try power cycling the system
  - skinfaxi 2mo ago
    Hah, as if power allows vacuums.
skinfaxi 2mo ago
> Everyone who authorized this funding needs to be voted out. If we really care the signal is to take away the power of people who decided to use this. Yes, and we should continue to nullify convictions for activists fighting this technology on the streets. If they use drones lets shoot them down and nullify those charges too. The court is the final stand and juries are where we the citizens have actual power.

recursivedoubts 2mo ago

If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us do it. Stop blaming the victims.

nicman23 2mo ago
lol trump got voted in. i blame the voters - there are not victims here
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- RobotToaster 2mo ago
  You think Cop Kamala would've opposed flock? lol, lmao even.
  - SpicyLemonZest 2mo ago
    I think memes and political bubbles are making it very hard for people to reason through the actual principles and mechanisms of democratic governance. The reason the system keeps trying to make you vote for people like "Cop Kamala" is that most Americans like the police (https://news.gallup.com/poll/690959/racial-divide-policing-narrows-years-floyd-death.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/690959/racial-divide-policing-n...); there's no secret set of popular anti-police candidates who some shadowy "they" aren't allowing you to vote for.
    - nicman23 2mo ago
      accountability? for MY actions?
saghm 2mo ago
Can you be more specific? Are you claiming that the winner is not actually whoever gets the most votes (e.g. voter fraud, corrupt vote counting), or that someone who would not authorize something like this would literally not be allowed to show up on the ballot? Those are the only two scenarios I can think of that would result in the conclusion you're stating. As far as I can tell, people who claim the former are almost overwhelming the ones voting for the people who are worst about stuff like this. I've honestly never seen anyone claim the latter though, so if that's what you believe, elaborating more would be helpful.
- RobotToaster 2mo ago
  The last person to stand for president who managed to get political momentum and wanted real change in the system was Eugene Debs, and they arrested him.
  - iamnothere 2mo ago
    Two others: Bernie Sanders (prevented from winning the primary via unelected superdelegates) Ross Perot (suddenly withdrew under murky circumstances and later claimed his family was threatened) Both wanted significant change, although they were reformists rather than revolutionaries.
    - runako 2mo ago
      Am I missing something here? Perot was on the ballot in 1992, and he won a bunch of votes. IIRC he was the most successful independent candidate in modern times, by vote count. Sanders ran an insurgent campaign while denigrating the party, and didn't win more votes. I seriously don't understand the argument that the person with fewer votes should win the nomination, although I am receptive to hearing a coherent articulation thereof. (Superdelegates did not enter the picture until tens of millions of votes were cast, with Sanders trailing by millions of votes.)
      - iamnothere 2mo ago
Clent 2mo ago
Except there are multiple efforts to make voting more difficult.

pluralmonad 2mo ago

I think my vote might be broken. It keeps not working.

AndrewKemendo 2mo ago
Try power cycling the system
- skinfaxi 2mo ago
  Hah, as if power allows vacuums.

skinfaxi 2mo ago

> Everyone who authorized this funding needs to be voted out. If we really care the signal is to take away the power of people who decided to use this. Yes, and we should continue to nullify convictions for activists fighting this technology on the streets. If they use drones lets shoot them down and nullify those charges too. The court is the final stand and juries are where we the citizens have actual power.