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Same. Helping family out when I generally was too tired to do it earlier. They're all very happy too

by xeromal 2mo ago

croes 2mo ago
Are they happy about the circumstances of AI too? Higher resource consumption and the set back in CO2 reduction?
- CrimsonRain 2mo ago
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  - nullsanity 2mo ago
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- bdlowery 2mo ago
  you seem to be uninformed. This should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_c6MWk7PQc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_c6MWk7PQc
  - throwawayqqq11 2mo ago
    GP wasnt mentioning water consumption.
  - bch 2mo ago
    > raised heat is a kind of pollution > water is not unlimited > you don't want to release a bunch of acid into a river > I know next to nothing about this > I know basically nothing > corn is one of the thirstiest major crops grown in the US What is this rant supposed to inform? Whats wrong with OP being concerned about the costs of operating a DC?
    - user43928 2mo ago
      Nobody is concerned about the costs and environmental impact of data centers. When someone in a discussion about the benefits of AI goes "did you think about the environment?!", it's always performative. The real motivation is disliking AI itself or doubt about the government's ability to offset the labor market impact. Discussions that start with feigned concerns being raised are nearly always going to be unproductive.
      - croes 2mo ago
        Wrong. I don’t dislike AI but really of mine are negatively affected by climate change and AI isn’t helping what is easily observed when Google and MS scrapped their CO2 reduction targets. So every time I use AI I think about the necessity and usefulness of what I‘m doing with AI and if the use outweighs the costs. Since the rise of AI the environmental impact doesn’t seem to matter anymore. I guess because it’s the shiny new toy of the hackernews audience. Privacy also lost importance given the fact that the same people who refused to give information like their phone number to companies like Google and Meta now upload their whole life to their AIs to asks what should the eat, hyperbolically speaking
        user43928 2mo ago
        You're not helping your case by questioning the usefulness of software produced with AI in the same comment section, or complaining about other people supposedly compromising their own privacy in overusing AI. The reason it doesn't matter is because the environmental impact is moderate, and the benefit obviously tremendous.
        jangxx 2mo ago
        The environmental impact is anything but moderate and the benefits are not obviously tremendous at all. I'm happy using Claude Code as much as the next guy, but saying that the impact has been "tremendous" is vastly overstating the actual results.
  - croes 2mo ago
    What make you think I‘m talking about water consumption? The construction of data centers needs resources and also creates more the CO2. The energy for these data centers is often created through fossil fuels which also creates additional CO2 What do you think why Google and MS scrapped their CO2 reduction targets
  - eddieh 2mo ago
    A link to a YouTube video without context e.g. summary of findings, primary author/creators, and primary citations, methodology, and so on is a next to useless for making a point. For all we know you’re linking to a crackpot or an industry sock puppet and I don’t care to “watch” any of what can potentially be a dubious video or worse a malicious video. It is your job as the linker to convince me the video is worth even one iota of my time. On the other hand recent papers highlight the validity of concern/suspicion: > This systematic review demonstrates that the environmental footprint of artificial intelligence is a structural and increasingly consequential challenge, shaped by interdependent decisions across algorithms, software pipelines, hardware infrastructures, and deployment contexts. The synthesized evidence shows that energy consumption and carbon emissions associated with AI systems are highly variable, context-dependent, and often underestimated — Beyond Efficiency: A Systematic Review of Energy Consumption and Carbon Footprint Across the AI Lifecycle (published in “Sustainability” an international, peer-reviewed, open-access journal) https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/18/3/1359 https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/18/3/1359
    - bblb 2mo ago
      "I know nothing about the subject, but I would _guess_ that the power consumption is bigger concern than the reported and studied water usage." That's the whole 21 minute 59 second video in a nutshell. A loud and hectic quick cut rambling video essay. Millions of views, naturally.
zingar 2mo ago
I’m curious, what was the application of AI that helped the family?
- xeromal 2mo ago
  Most of my family are small business owners, so I've done a handful of Excel automations that they needed that generally take me a while to figure out. Landing pages and a few 3D designed prototypes that I used the Fusion 360 MCP server for

Same. Helping family out when I generally was too tired to do it earlier. They're all very happy too

by xeromal 2mo ago

Same. Helping family out when I generally was too tired to do it earlier. They're all very happy too

croes 2mo ago

Are they happy about the circumstances of AI too? Higher resource consumption and the set back in CO2 reduction?

CrimsonRain 2mo ago
[flagged]
- nullsanity 2mo ago
  [dead]
bdlowery 2mo ago
you seem to be uninformed. This should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_c6MWk7PQc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_c6MWk7PQc
- throwawayqqq11 2mo ago
  GP wasnt mentioning water consumption.
- bch 2mo ago
  > raised heat is a kind of pollution > water is not unlimited > you don't want to release a bunch of acid into a river > I know next to nothing about this > I know basically nothing > corn is one of the thirstiest major crops grown in the US What is this rant supposed to inform? Whats wrong with OP being concerned about the costs of operating a DC?
  - user43928 2mo ago
    Nobody is concerned about the costs and environmental impact of data centers. When someone in a discussion about the benefits of AI goes "did you think about the environment?!", it's always performative. The real motivation is disliking AI itself or doubt about the government's ability to offset the labor market impact. Discussions that start with feigned concerns being raised are nearly always going to be unproductive.
    - croes 2mo ago
      Wrong. I don’t dislike AI but really of mine are negatively affected by climate change and AI isn’t helping what is easily observed when Google and MS scrapped their CO2 reduction targets. So every time I use AI I think about the necessity and usefulness of what I‘m doing with AI and if the use outweighs the costs. Since the rise of AI the environmental impact doesn’t seem to matter anymore. I guess because it’s the shiny new toy of the hackernews audience. Privacy also lost importance given the fact that the same people who refused to give information like their phone number to companies like Google and Meta now upload their whole life to their AIs to asks what should the eat, hyperbolically speaking
      - user43928 2mo ago
        You're not helping your case by questioning the usefulness of software produced with AI in the same comment section, or complaining about other people supposedly compromising their own privacy in overusing AI. The reason it doesn't matter is because the environmental impact is moderate, and the benefit obviously tremendous.
        jangxx 2mo ago
        The environmental impact is anything but moderate and the benefits are not obviously tremendous at all. I'm happy using Claude Code as much as the next guy, but saying that the impact has been "tremendous" is vastly overstating the actual results.
- croes 2mo ago
  What make you think I‘m talking about water consumption? The construction of data centers needs resources and also creates more the CO2. The energy for these data centers is often created through fossil fuels which also creates additional CO2 What do you think why Google and MS scrapped their CO2 reduction targets
- eddieh 2mo ago
  A link to a YouTube video without context e.g. summary of findings, primary author/creators, and primary citations, methodology, and so on is a next to useless for making a point. For all we know you’re linking to a crackpot or an industry sock puppet and I don’t care to “watch” any of what can potentially be a dubious video or worse a malicious video. It is your job as the linker to convince me the video is worth even one iota of my time. On the other hand recent papers highlight the validity of concern/suspicion: > This systematic review demonstrates that the environmental footprint of artificial intelligence is a structural and increasingly consequential challenge, shaped by interdependent decisions across algorithms, software pipelines, hardware infrastructures, and deployment contexts. The synthesized evidence shows that energy consumption and carbon emissions associated with AI systems are highly variable, context-dependent, and often underestimated — Beyond Efficiency: A Systematic Review of Energy Consumption and Carbon Footprint Across the AI Lifecycle (published in “Sustainability” an international, peer-reviewed, open-access journal) https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/18/3/1359 https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/18/3/1359
  - bblb 2mo ago
    "I know nothing about the subject, but I would _guess_ that the power consumption is bigger concern than the reported and studied water usage." That's the whole 21 minute 59 second video in a nutshell. A loud and hectic quick cut rambling video essay. Millions of views, naturally.

zingar 2mo ago

I’m curious, what was the application of AI that helped the family?

xeromal 2mo ago
Most of my family are small business owners, so I've done a handful of Excel automations that they needed that generally take me a while to figure out. Landing pages and a few 3D designed prototypes that I used the Fusion 360 MCP server for