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So how do you design a harness that tries to grow the user? As in quiz the prompter in a way that forces them to reflect and improve? And if they can do that-

So how do you design a harness that tries to grow the user? As in quiz the prompter in a way that forces them to reflect and improve? And if they can do that- could they do it to themselves- going from a junior to a pro conversation?

yifanl 2mo ago
You can't, as that removes the main value add of the AI.
- hawaiianbrah 2mo ago
  I really disagree with that stance. It would be trivial to have it ask you questions about what it produced to ensure you understand. I’ve literally already done that several times.
  - bluefirebrand 2mo ago
    From what I can tell, the value add for AI seems to be this behavior you're describing But the value add being marketed is something entirely different, which is where the disconnect is coming in
  - dns_snek 2mo ago
    "Understanding" someone else's solution is not comparable to solving it on your own, even if you can answer some questions about it. It builds extremely fragile surface-level understanding. That struggle and repeated failure before finally connecting the dots on your own is how you build intuition and deep understanding.
    - preg_match 2mo ago
      Yes, all learning takes practice, it's the core of how our brain learns things. Any tool that eliminates the practice part means suboptimal, or zero, learning. Practice isn't just for physical tasks like riding a bike. All skills take practice, meaning repeated cycles of failures over a long time horizon.
  - yifanl 2mo ago
    We're way too far down this current UIUX disaster to pretend "sane defaults" is a nice-to-have.
voakbasda 2mo ago
You cannot speed run human learning. Investing time to read and absorb the material, repeatedly exercising and expanding your understanding, is the only path. Not coincidentally, this is exactly how we train our AI. Edit: but to answer your question, an AI harness can only emulate the best teaching methods. Learning is up to the human.
ChoGGi 2mo ago
You don't understand math with a calculator; you use paper to understand math. The same way you wouldn't let a junior electrician near a drill, he gets screwdrivers till he learns to be gentle. AI should only be for people with existing knowledge of a trade.
- heelix 2mo ago
  My grandfather used to say 'any power tool can be a sander, if you use it wrong'.
vrighter 2mo ago
you revoke their claude/chatgpt/copilot license

yifanl 2mo ago

You can't, as that removes the main value add of the AI.

hawaiianbrah 2mo ago
I really disagree with that stance. It would be trivial to have it ask you questions about what it produced to ensure you understand. I’ve literally already done that several times.
- bluefirebrand 2mo ago
  From what I can tell, the value add for AI seems to be this behavior you're describing But the value add being marketed is something entirely different, which is where the disconnect is coming in
- dns_snek 2mo ago
  "Understanding" someone else's solution is not comparable to solving it on your own, even if you can answer some questions about it. It builds extremely fragile surface-level understanding. That struggle and repeated failure before finally connecting the dots on your own is how you build intuition and deep understanding.
  - preg_match 2mo ago
    Yes, all learning takes practice, it's the core of how our brain learns things. Any tool that eliminates the practice part means suboptimal, or zero, learning. Practice isn't just for physical tasks like riding a bike. All skills take practice, meaning repeated cycles of failures over a long time horizon.
- yifanl 2mo ago
  We're way too far down this current UIUX disaster to pretend "sane defaults" is a nice-to-have.

voakbasda 2mo ago

You cannot speed run human learning. Investing time to read and absorb the material, repeatedly exercising and expanding your understanding, is the only path. Not coincidentally, this is exactly how we train our AI. Edit: but to answer your question, an AI harness can only emulate the best teaching methods. Learning is up to the human.

ChoGGi 2mo ago

You don't understand math with a calculator; you use paper to understand math. The same way you wouldn't let a junior electrician near a drill, he gets screwdrivers till he learns to be gentle. AI should only be for people with existing knowledge of a trade.

heelix 2mo ago
My grandfather used to say 'any power tool can be a sander, if you use it wrong'.

vrighter 2mo ago

you revoke their claude/chatgpt/copilot license