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Doesn’t Apple do the same?

by paxys 2mo ago

sunaookami 2mo ago
The difference is that Apple always did it with iOS and Google did not. Many chose Android because of that.
EastSmith 2mo ago
Does it matter that Apple does the same?
croes 2mo ago
Did Apple claim iOS is open source?
- paxys 2mo ago
  AOSP is open source. The Android running on most manufacturer-branded phones isn’t.
- mikestorrent 2mo ago
  Well, https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu is, but it's not enough to make you an iPhone.
- izacus 2mo ago
  So you're saying Google should stop open sourcing Android? That should like a bad incentive to make to defend Apple.
  - realusername 2mo ago
    Google has no choice, the moment they stop releasing Android sources, a chinese consortium will just take over and they will lose ownership of Android
    - izacus 2mo ago
      Yeah, because you're all using HarmonyOS aren't you?
  - croes 2mo ago
    Apple is at least honest at that point. Google claims an openness that doesn’t exist anymore
    - izacus 2mo ago
      Do you have problem accessing http://cs.android.com http://cs.android.com or what?
lambda 2mo ago
I specifically use Android because of this, among other requirements, that Apple imposes on software development on their platform. I do not own general purpose computers that I am not allowed to develop software for without permission. I have always avoided consoles for that reason as well (Steam Machine and other similar platforms would be fine, but I've been avoiding consoles for long enough that it's not something I really look for any more). I was a major Apple fanboy up until the iPhone. Left the ecosystem after the iPhone and macOS started moving in that direction as well. I'm going to miss having a smartphone that I can use with my banking and EV apps, but probably for the best to get out of Google's ecosystem. Hoping that GrapheneOS will still allow me to use some of the apps that I like.
- mikestorrent 2mo ago
  Android has been a brutal disappointment on this front since the day it launched. Sure, you could hack various devices and spend too much time on xda-developers and get custom ROMs, but if you compare that to the openness of even a stock Windows PC it's an absolute joke. Android was supposed to be the open Linux phone, when I bought my HTC G1 full of hope; turned into an inferior iPhone wannabe with worse performance and a low quality walled garden that keeps most people in without keeping the trash out. Time to start over.
- phire 2mo ago
  I switched to an iPhone last year, mostly because I was getting sick of Samsung’s shit, and google doesn’t sell their pixel phones locally (and I don’t like Oppo). But the other reason is that most of Android’s openness is quickly disappearing, so my main argument against iPhone is gone. And on the topic of privacy, I actually trust Apple way more than I trust the company that makes most of their revenue via advertising.
  - klardotsh 2mo ago
    Exactly this. Once the writing was on the wall that deGoogled / FOSS Android was on borrowed time (at best), a ton of the argument against iOS dissolved overnight. We can argue that Apple's anti-repair policies and anti-user-customization policies are their own evils, sure, but at least my phone works for its core tasks, and works phenomenally well at that. My deGoogled Android phones were mostly hobbled together piles of "it sometimes works, as long as I don't look at it too funny". This tradeoff was fine for fully owning my data and being able to install absolutely anything I wanted on my phone. With arbitrary APK installation disappearing, and unlocked bootloaders to install a less hostile fork of Android becoming such a rarity these days, I may as well at least not fear looking at my phone the wrong way when the moon is in alignment with the wrong star. Source: about 12 years of Android usage (11 of those on unlocked bootloaders and custom ROMs, ~6? of those deGoogled) -> iPhone 16e.
ProAm 2mo ago
> Doesn’t Apple do the same yes and Apple does it for the 30% lock-in. Apple does it to protect their ecosystem. Apple also does not care about their customers, their developers, their suppliers or their employees. Closed systems do not help the populous. This is about money, captive audience and subscription revenues.
ulrikrasmussen 2mo ago
Yes, and this is the reason that many of us have not, and will not, ever buy an Apple product. They are the ultimate technodictators, and their products are only for people who like to trade their freedom for moderate convenience.

Doesn’t Apple do the same?

by paxys 2mo ago

Doesn’t Apple do the same?

sunaookami 2mo ago

The difference is that Apple always did it with iOS and Google did not. Many chose Android because of that.

EastSmith 2mo ago

Does it matter that Apple does the same?

croes 2mo ago

Did Apple claim iOS is open source?

paxys 2mo ago
AOSP is open source. The Android running on most manufacturer-branded phones isn’t.
mikestorrent 2mo ago
Well, https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu is, but it's not enough to make you an iPhone.
izacus 2mo ago
So you're saying Google should stop open sourcing Android? That should like a bad incentive to make to defend Apple.
- realusername 2mo ago
  Google has no choice, the moment they stop releasing Android sources, a chinese consortium will just take over and they will lose ownership of Android
  - izacus 2mo ago
    Yeah, because you're all using HarmonyOS aren't you?
- croes 2mo ago
  Apple is at least honest at that point. Google claims an openness that doesn’t exist anymore
  - izacus 2mo ago
    Do you have problem accessing http://cs.android.com http://cs.android.com or what?

lambda 2mo ago

I specifically use Android because of this, among other requirements, that Apple imposes on software development on their platform. I do not own general purpose computers that I am not allowed to develop software for without permission. I have always avoided consoles for that reason as well (Steam Machine and other similar platforms would be fine, but I've been avoiding consoles for long enough that it's not something I really look for any more). I was a major Apple fanboy up until the iPhone. Left the ecosystem after the iPhone and macOS started moving in that direction as well. I'm going to miss having a smartphone that I can use with my banking and EV apps, but probably for the best to get out of Google's ecosystem. Hoping that GrapheneOS will still allow me to use some of the apps that I like.

mikestorrent 2mo ago
Android has been a brutal disappointment on this front since the day it launched. Sure, you could hack various devices and spend too much time on xda-developers and get custom ROMs, but if you compare that to the openness of even a stock Windows PC it's an absolute joke. Android was supposed to be the open Linux phone, when I bought my HTC G1 full of hope; turned into an inferior iPhone wannabe with worse performance and a low quality walled garden that keeps most people in without keeping the trash out. Time to start over.
phire 2mo ago
I switched to an iPhone last year, mostly because I was getting sick of Samsung’s shit, and google doesn’t sell their pixel phones locally (and I don’t like Oppo). But the other reason is that most of Android’s openness is quickly disappearing, so my main argument against iPhone is gone. And on the topic of privacy, I actually trust Apple way more than I trust the company that makes most of their revenue via advertising.
- klardotsh 2mo ago
  Exactly this. Once the writing was on the wall that deGoogled / FOSS Android was on borrowed time (at best), a ton of the argument against iOS dissolved overnight. We can argue that Apple's anti-repair policies and anti-user-customization policies are their own evils, sure, but at least my phone works for its core tasks, and works phenomenally well at that. My deGoogled Android phones were mostly hobbled together piles of "it sometimes works, as long as I don't look at it too funny". This tradeoff was fine for fully owning my data and being able to install absolutely anything I wanted on my phone. With arbitrary APK installation disappearing, and unlocked bootloaders to install a less hostile fork of Android becoming such a rarity these days, I may as well at least not fear looking at my phone the wrong way when the moon is in alignment with the wrong star. Source: about 12 years of Android usage (11 of those on unlocked bootloaders and custom ROMs, ~6? of those deGoogled) -> iPhone 16e.

ProAm 2mo ago

> Doesn’t Apple do the same yes and Apple does it for the 30% lock-in. Apple does it to protect their ecosystem. Apple also does not care about their customers, their developers, their suppliers or their employees. Closed systems do not help the populous. This is about money, captive audience and subscription revenues.

ulrikrasmussen 2mo ago

Yes, and this is the reason that many of us have not, and will not, ever buy an Apple product. They are the ultimate technodictators, and their products are only for people who like to trade their freedom for moderate convenience.