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Turns out people have quite strong feelings about career -ruining and planet-burning tech advances. I think it's good that there are topics that elicit emotion

Turns out people have quite strong feelings about career -ruining and planet-burning tech advances. I think it's good that there are topics that elicit emotional responses. It does make the discussion a bit difficult, gotta admit that.

whimsicalism 2mo ago
I do not believe for one instance that people are coming from a legitimate concern around planet-burning and reaching their conclusions about AI vs. reasoning backwards from wanting reasons to be anti-AI. Very few people I've met seems willing to make one iota of earnest personal sacrifice for avoiding actual in-real-life planet-burning industries. Actively pisses me off hearing climate rationale for opposing something so relatively inconsequential while the house is on fire from pre-existing industry that is grandfathered in.
- testerteert000a 2mo ago
  You must not live in a planet-burned spot yet. But, direct experience shouldn't be the only way to build empathy for viewpoints that aren't yours.
  - whimsicalism 2mo ago
    I live in a place with sufficient books that I know how to understand the written word, but I understand not everyone replying to my comments is so fortunate.
    - testerteert000a 2mo ago
      Do any of those books include 101 climate change or Cadillac Desert.
- insane_dreamer 2mo ago
  > I do not believe for one instance that people are coming from a legitimate concern around planet-burning and reaching their conclusions about AI vs. reasoning backwards from wanting reasons to be anti-AI. You're certainly wrong in my case, and I can't speak for others but I think you're probably wrong about many of them. > Actively pisses me off hearing climate rationale for opposing something so relatively inconsequential while the house is on fire from pre-existing industry that is grandfathered in. not complicated: it's much harder to stop pre-existing industry than it is to stop the building of new data-centers (esp for something that isn't really going to help most of the population much; it's not we're accepting an increase in global warming in exchange for curing cancer) just because I'm voicing opposition to data centers doesn't mean that I'm okay with all the the other sources of global warming. Those are separate discussions.

whimsicalism 2mo ago

I do not believe for one instance that people are coming from a legitimate concern around planet-burning and reaching their conclusions about AI vs. reasoning backwards from wanting reasons to be anti-AI. Very few people I've met seems willing to make one iota of earnest personal sacrifice for avoiding actual in-real-life planet-burning industries. Actively pisses me off hearing climate rationale for opposing something so relatively inconsequential while the house is on fire from pre-existing industry that is grandfathered in.

testerteert000a 2mo ago
You must not live in a planet-burned spot yet. But, direct experience shouldn't be the only way to build empathy for viewpoints that aren't yours.
- whimsicalism 2mo ago
  I live in a place with sufficient books that I know how to understand the written word, but I understand not everyone replying to my comments is so fortunate.
  - testerteert000a 2mo ago
    Do any of those books include 101 climate change or Cadillac Desert.
insane_dreamer 2mo ago
> I do not believe for one instance that people are coming from a legitimate concern around planet-burning and reaching their conclusions about AI vs. reasoning backwards from wanting reasons to be anti-AI. You're certainly wrong in my case, and I can't speak for others but I think you're probably wrong about many of them. > Actively pisses me off hearing climate rationale for opposing something so relatively inconsequential while the house is on fire from pre-existing industry that is grandfathered in. not complicated: it's much harder to stop pre-existing industry than it is to stop the building of new data-centers (esp for something that isn't really going to help most of the population much; it's not we're accepting an increase in global warming in exchange for curing cancer) just because I'm voicing opposition to data centers doesn't mean that I'm okay with all the the other sources of global warming. Those are separate discussions.