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The "Washington Institute for Near East Policy" is another big one

throw310822 2mo ago
MEMRI is the US non-profit organization that provides translations from Arabic for the Western media: "MEMRI was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1998. MEMRI describes itself as being independent and non-partisan. Some critics have described MEMRI as aiming to portray the Arab world and the Islamic world in a negative light by producing and disseminating incomplete or inaccurate translations of the original versions of the media reports that it republishes." (Wikipedia)
- megous 2mo ago
  There's also supposed "UN watch" which is another innocuous looking Israeli front meant to sow confusion into decades long UN's attemmpts to deal with the mess jewish terror gangs in Palestine created by stealing massive amount of land from Palestinians in 1947-48 for their bigoted state project.
  - yonixw 2mo ago
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    - jabron 2mo ago
      Who is saying that? And by acknowledging that the land was bought pre-war you're also acknowledging that the (explicitly colonial) Zionist project pre-dates the Holocaust. So it has nothing to do with "nowadays", that was more than 100 years ago.
      - yonixw 2mo ago
        The commenter referenced 1947. And said from nowadays PERSPECTIVE about THAT time that it's a "bigoted state project". I just reminded them that the project got its population (50%+) from Jews that ran for their lives. So his NOWADAYS perspective about that time is crazy. As from the first moment, it was about protecting Jews. The only other alternative at the time was the US, but with limited immigration after WW2, it was obvious it couldn't be the whole story. If you have further disagreement, please explain why in the same sentence he wrote "bigoted state project" and 1947. EDIT: you added "(explicitly colonial)" before Zionism. And I looked at your comment history... Your are deliberately misreading stuff... good luck out there. My last words to you are: At that time before WW2, this entire area was under the Ottomans, so making a government there for Jews (enclave) by BUYING land, is colonial, and not what you try to say which is: "Kill all natives, we are the superior race". Because who at that time thought he could overthrow the Ottomans? But you don't care.
        shimman 2mo ago
        A settler colonial apartheid state is bigoted by nature. I don't understand your defense outside of the word "bigoted" making you upset when you should be more upset at the rampant colonialism and genocide being done in the name of religion. Are you really upset because the descriptions make you sad?
        yonixw 2mo ago
        Your have 3 mistakes in describing Israel as "settler colonial apartheid" alone. I cannot help you. Maybe Wikis or LLMs will or [1] as a start. I am only sad about HN level of discussion, and how smart people in tech leave their critical thinking, kicking it out the door when the "I-word" is in the article/comment. [1] https://share.gemini.google/cF5oyWZID7UR https://share.gemini.google/cF5oyWZID7UR
        megous 2mo ago
        Judges from ICJ may need your deep learnings too, since they describe Israel policies as apartheid, too. And as far as settler-colonial goes. Establishing your pet state on other people's land while driving out the original population with terror and violence and death marches to the front lines, while stripping them of valuables along the way and using them as human shields as Israelis like to say these days, while settling former population's land and houses, is as settler and as colonial as a [Zionist] group can get, outside of actual state establishing actual colony somewhere.
        yonixw 1mo ago
        OH, we looking at ICC and ICJ? Then sure. But then, you will surely agree to never let a Palestine state to be? As long as Hamas is in control, as, after all, look at their warrants- such bigots: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-... If you want no Hamas, No Bibi, No apartheid (which the ICJ also said as minority opinion that its just security concerns - i.e. terror attacks) then - I agree! I want peace! But... maybe - Hamas first? I mean, Israel tried to be first with Ehud Barak... then with Ehud Olmert... And Be sure to @ me where you called Palestine a "state [that] is bigoted by nature!" You surely done it? Right? By your own standard? EDIT: You said a lot more, but it's just the same arguments with no rebuttal to the LLM answer so I point you to it again.
    - megous 2mo ago
      Jews owned miniscule amount of land before deciding to steal the rest. 1624 km2 or around 6% of total. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_ownership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_owner... Just because you're running from war or genocide does not give you any rights elsewhere. Also in 47' jews were not running from anything but poverty and fears of the future. There was no genocide anymore.
      - yonixw 1mo ago
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- thisislife2 2mo ago
  That explains a lot! Yesterday, I came across this article - Outrage In Oman Over Trump's Threat To Bomb The Sultanate... - https://www.memri.org/reports/outrage-oman-over-trumps-threat-bomb-sultanate-we-will-not-yield-stupid-and-crazy-trump-oman https://www.memri.org/reports/outrage-oman-over-trumps-threa... and posted it on HN. But then, I had second thoughts as I had never heard of MEMRI and a scan of the website revealed a lot of antisemitic content and in general poor quality, tabloid like "hyped" up articles. The website also had no 'About Us' page that highlighted who runs it. All this made me suspicious and I immediately deleted the posted link on HN.
  - throw310822 1mo ago
    Yes. And these people have successfully managed to pollute the US information system with their "independent reporting" on the Middle East media for close to thirty years.

MEMRI is the US non-profit organization that provides translations from Arabic for the Western media: "MEMRI was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1998. MEMRI describes itself as being independent and non-partisan. Some critics have described MEMRI as aiming to portray the Arab world and the Islamic world in a negative light by producing and disseminating incomplete or inaccurate translations of the original versions of the media reports that it republishes." (Wikipedia)

megous 2mo ago
There's also supposed "UN watch" which is another innocuous looking Israeli front meant to sow confusion into decades long UN's attemmpts to deal with the mess jewish terror gangs in Palestine created by stealing massive amount of land from Palestinians in 1947-48 for their bigoted state project.
- yonixw 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - jabron 2mo ago
    Who is saying that? And by acknowledging that the land was bought pre-war you're also acknowledging that the (explicitly colonial) Zionist project pre-dates the Holocaust. So it has nothing to do with "nowadays", that was more than 100 years ago.
    - yonixw 2mo ago
      The commenter referenced 1947. And said from nowadays PERSPECTIVE about THAT time that it's a "bigoted state project". I just reminded them that the project got its population (50%+) from Jews that ran for their lives. So his NOWADAYS perspective about that time is crazy. As from the first moment, it was about protecting Jews. The only other alternative at the time was the US, but with limited immigration after WW2, it was obvious it couldn't be the whole story. If you have further disagreement, please explain why in the same sentence he wrote "bigoted state project" and 1947. EDIT: you added "(explicitly colonial)" before Zionism. And I looked at your comment history... Your are deliberately misreading stuff... good luck out there. My last words to you are: At that time before WW2, this entire area was under the Ottomans, so making a government there for Jews (enclave) by BUYING land, is colonial, and not what you try to say which is: "Kill all natives, we are the superior race". Because who at that time thought he could overthrow the Ottomans? But you don't care.
      - shimman 2mo ago
        A settler colonial apartheid state is bigoted by nature. I don't understand your defense outside of the word "bigoted" making you upset when you should be more upset at the rampant colonialism and genocide being done in the name of religion. Are you really upset because the descriptions make you sad?
        yonixw 2mo ago
        Your have 3 mistakes in describing Israel as "settler colonial apartheid" alone. I cannot help you. Maybe Wikis or LLMs will or [1] as a start. I am only sad about HN level of discussion, and how smart people in tech leave their critical thinking, kicking it out the door when the "I-word" is in the article/comment. [1] https://share.gemini.google/cF5oyWZID7UR https://share.gemini.google/cF5oyWZID7UR
        megous 2mo ago
        Judges from ICJ may need your deep learnings too, since they describe Israel policies as apartheid, too. And as far as settler-colonial goes. Establishing your pet state on other people's land while driving out the original population with terror and violence and death marches to the front lines, while stripping them of valuables along the way and using them as human shields as Israelis like to say these days, while settling former population's land and houses, is as settler and as colonial as a [Zionist] group can get, outside of actual state establishing actual colony somewhere.
        yonixw 1mo ago
        OH, we looking at ICC and ICJ? Then sure. But then, you will surely agree to never let a Palestine state to be? As long as Hamas is in control, as, after all, look at their warrants- such bigots: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-... If you want no Hamas, No Bibi, No apartheid (which the ICJ also said as minority opinion that its just security concerns - i.e. terror attacks) then - I agree! I want peace! But... maybe - Hamas first? I mean, Israel tried to be first with Ehud Barak... then with Ehud Olmert... And Be sure to @ me where you called Palestine a "state [that] is bigoted by nature!" You surely done it? Right? By your own standard? EDIT: You said a lot more, but it's just the same arguments with no rebuttal to the LLM answer so I point you to it again.
  - megous 2mo ago
    Jews owned miniscule amount of land before deciding to steal the rest. 1624 km2 or around 6% of total. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_ownership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_owner... Just because you're running from war or genocide does not give you any rights elsewhere. Also in 47' jews were not running from anything but poverty and fears of the future. There was no genocide anymore.
    - yonixw 1mo ago
      [flagged]
thisislife2 2mo ago
That explains a lot! Yesterday, I came across this article - Outrage In Oman Over Trump's Threat To Bomb The Sultanate... - https://www.memri.org/reports/outrage-oman-over-trumps-threat-bomb-sultanate-we-will-not-yield-stupid-and-crazy-trump-oman https://www.memri.org/reports/outrage-oman-over-trumps-threa... and posted it on HN. But then, I had second thoughts as I had never heard of MEMRI and a scan of the website revealed a lot of antisemitic content and in general poor quality, tabloid like "hyped" up articles. The website also had no 'About Us' page that highlighted who runs it. All this made me suspicious and I immediately deleted the posted link on HN.
- throw310822 1mo ago
  Yes. And these people have successfully managed to pollute the US information system with their "independent reporting" on the Middle East media for close to thirty years.