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A developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.

by encom 2mo ago

sublinear 2mo ago
How do you feel about other hot button issues like LLMs, privacy policies, Flock cameras, etc.? By your reasoning, developers "make" those things too. My point is just to make sure we're pointing the blame at the business where it belongs. It seems very strange how we generally do that, but make exceptions for features. Developers don't control features either. Always blame the business. This language around "devs" is so twisted and inconsistent that I'm convinced someone is seeding this every time to deflect blame. i.e. "oops just a slip up by the devs" as if features could ever be anything but a massive premeditated effort involving dozens if not hundreds of people planning at least several months ahead of any code being written. If you want to make a difference, you look at who is running the business. It means what a lot of fanboys cannot admit to themselves. Their favorite companies and CEOs might just be assholes.
- encom 2mo ago
  I don't want to Godwin this thread so early, but you know what analogy I'm thinking of. If you work as a developer for Google, Microsoft, Flock, CloudFlare, Facebook etc. etc. you are complicit in making the world a crappier place. Did J. Random Hacker at Google decide to ruin Android app development[1] for everyone? No, but he made it happen. I hate that guy. (Also.) [1] Edit: I'm referring to this nonsense: https://keepandroidopen.org/ https://keepandroidopen.org/
  - sublinear 2mo ago
    You choose to have that perspective and be subject to that locus of control. Where do you really draw the line? How do you feel about money? How do you feel about eating to stay alive? Ultimately, this is not a philosophy debate. If you're confused about what work is, that's your own problem. The business is still to blame.
    - encom 2mo ago
      I'm not saying it isn't, but I don't have a shred of sympathy for the developers manning the ovens. Pick a job that isn't actively harmful to society. If you're responsible for the system at Facebook that serves endless brainrot to people, starvation is too good for you.
      - sublinear 2mo ago
        I think you attribute way too much to the developers. Corporate offices are not small.
    - knollimar 2mo ago
      Didn't we run this playbook and find just following orders isn't an excuse?

A developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.

by encom 2mo ago

A developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.

How do you feel about other hot button issues like LLMs, privacy policies, Flock cameras, etc.? By your reasoning, developers "make" those things too. My point is just to make sure we're pointing the blame at the business where it belongs. It seems very strange how we generally do that, but make exceptions for features. Developers don't control features either. Always blame the business. This language around "devs" is so twisted and inconsistent that I'm convinced someone is seeding this every time to deflect blame. i.e. "oops just a slip up by the devs" as if features could ever be anything but a massive premeditated effort involving dozens if not hundreds of people planning at least several months ahead of any code being written. If you want to make a difference, you look at who is running the business. It means what a lot of fanboys cannot admit to themselves. Their favorite companies and CEOs might just be assholes.

encom 2mo ago
I don't want to Godwin this thread so early, but you know what analogy I'm thinking of. If you work as a developer for Google, Microsoft, Flock, CloudFlare, Facebook etc. etc. you are complicit in making the world a crappier place. Did J. Random Hacker at Google decide to ruin Android app development[1] for everyone? No, but he made it happen. I hate that guy. (Also.) [1] Edit: I'm referring to this nonsense: https://keepandroidopen.org/ https://keepandroidopen.org/
- sublinear 2mo ago
  You choose to have that perspective and be subject to that locus of control. Where do you really draw the line? How do you feel about money? How do you feel about eating to stay alive? Ultimately, this is not a philosophy debate. If you're confused about what work is, that's your own problem. The business is still to blame.
  - encom 2mo ago
    I'm not saying it isn't, but I don't have a shred of sympathy for the developers manning the ovens. Pick a job that isn't actively harmful to society. If you're responsible for the system at Facebook that serves endless brainrot to people, starvation is too good for you.
    - sublinear 2mo ago
      I think you attribute way too much to the developers. Corporate offices are not small.
  - knollimar 2mo ago
    Didn't we run this playbook and find just following orders isn't an excuse?