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https://tangled.org https://tangled.org would love to have you :) We're hosted in the EU, and are free for open source, forever. Tangled is also designed to be

by icy 2mo ago

https://tangled.org https://tangled.org would love to have you :) We're hosted in the EU, and are free for open source, forever. Tangled is also designed to be federated from ground up, so you get to own your infra & data while still participating in an open network.

jph 2mo ago
Thanks! Added. What is your donate link? https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/architecture-decision-record https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/architecture-dec... https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/ways-of-working https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/ways-of-working https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/coordinated-vulnerability-disclosure https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/coordinated-vuln...
- TimTheTinker 2mo ago
  Tangled is a VC-funded Oy (Finnish limited liability corporation, €3.8M seed a few months ago). I searched and couldn't find a published donation route, which makes sense given it's VC-funded. To Tangled -- it's great that the core code is MIT licensed and anyone could stand up a competing appview (the credible-exit property of atproto). Do Tangled Labs Oy's articles include a purpose clause instead of the default profit-only purpose[0]? Or is something similar on the roadmap? [0] OYL 1:5 reads The purpose of a company is to generate profits for the shareholders, unless otherwise provided in the Articles of Association.
crote 2mo ago
What is the long-term sustainability story here? You're deliberately avoiding a network effect lock-in by being federated, you make competition trivial by giving away not only the protocol but also making your code available, and you don't even restrict commercial competition by using the MIT license rather than, say, BSL. To me that sounds like you are deliberately starting a race-to-the-bottom competition on price with, well, everyone capable of hosting a SaaS? Heck, if you don't end up with some solid competition the whole "federated code" USP doesn't play out. To me that doesn't exactly scream "good return on my €3,8M seed round". Am I missing a brilliant plan here, or should we expect a rug pull a few years down the line?

by icy 2mo ago

jph 2mo ago

Thanks! Added. What is your donate link? https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/architecture-decision-record https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/architecture-dec... https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/ways-of-working https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/ways-of-working https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/coordinated-vulnerability-disclosure https://tangled.org/joelparkerhenderson.com/coordinated-vuln...

TimTheTinker 2mo ago
Tangled is a VC-funded Oy (Finnish limited liability corporation, €3.8M seed a few months ago). I searched and couldn't find a published donation route, which makes sense given it's VC-funded. To Tangled -- it's great that the core code is MIT licensed and anyone could stand up a competing appview (the credible-exit property of atproto). Do Tangled Labs Oy's articles include a purpose clause instead of the default profit-only purpose[0]? Or is something similar on the roadmap? [0] OYL 1:5 reads The purpose of a company is to generate profits for the shareholders, unless otherwise provided in the Articles of Association.

crote 2mo ago

What is the long-term sustainability story here? You're deliberately avoiding a network effect lock-in by being federated, you make competition trivial by giving away not only the protocol but also making your code available, and you don't even restrict commercial competition by using the MIT license rather than, say, BSL. To me that sounds like you are deliberately starting a race-to-the-bottom competition on price with, well, everyone capable of hosting a SaaS? Heck, if you don't end up with some solid competition the whole "federated code" USP doesn't play out. To me that doesn't exactly scream "good return on my €3,8M seed round". Am I missing a brilliant plan here, or should we expect a rug pull a few years down the line?