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Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the common passive-agressive use of "you're welcome" in exactly the kind of context the OP article uses it. But it's a thing, eve

by antonvs 2mo ago

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the common passive-agressive use of "you're welcome" in exactly the kind of context the OP article uses it. But it's a thing, even if you haven't come across it.

hinkley 2mo ago
I am well familiar with passive aggressive. This isn’t how you fight it, is the point. Getting worked up is exactly the goal. Go outside. All of you.
- samsari 2mo ago
  Are you as familiar with "condescending" as you are with "passive aggressive"?
  - hinkley 2mo ago
    I am not being condescending. I save that for folks who start it. You don’t want to see me being condescending. Well actually you do, as long as it’s not aimed at you and you get popcorn.
- llm_nerd 2mo ago
  Who is getting worked up? Who is "outraged", or looking to "manufacture" it? I mean, the only person these descriptions apply to in this discussion is you. Google's blog title is weird. Every normal human being that speaks English will find it weird. Maybe the author is on the spectrum, or maybe they thought their humour would carry better in a technical blog. Your agreement with this is not at all our concern. Maybe you should go outside and settle down?
- otterley 2mo ago
  > This isn’t how you fight it, is the point Social condemnation has always been used to help keep the behavior of a group within certain acceptable bounds. Whether it's as effective in today's world of ever-escalating attention-seeking competition as it once was is questionable, though. > Getting worked up is exactly the goal. I don’t know who you think is worked up here, but it’s not me. I was merely expressing what impression the author’s choice of words left on me. And clearly I wasn’t alone in that regard. You are the one who chose to attack me as “projecting.” ... You are getting a lot of feedback that you are the one who is mistaken here. Have you considered digesting it instead of defensively escalating? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/3c/dd/2f3cddbe0d3b383ee6d3c990efcf6cbc.gif https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/3c/dd/2f3cddbe0d3b383ee6d3...
  - hinkley 2mo ago
    You’re all here to clutch pearls. This has all turned into virtue signalling over a title. There are better things to be doing with your day. It doesn’t matter to you that they have no shame and it will roll off them like water off a ducks back? Have you ever tried to shame a narcissist, or someone with BPD? It definitely does not work on them. They just try to destroy your life for you. The way to deal with that sort is, don’t deal with them at all. Give them nothing until they get bored and leave. If you count it all up there’s rather a lot of people for whom making it your job to control them is a bad outcome for everyone involved. It’s a generalization that has important exceptions.
    - otterley 2mo ago
      > You’re all here to clutch pearls. This has all turned into virtue signalling over a title. I disagree with your characterization, but you do you, I guess. > There are better things to be doing with your day. Perhaps so. There are probably better things for everyone on HN to be doing instead. Nevertheless, as autonomous people, we can choose our own priorities. I, for one, don't appreciate being told how to spend my time. > Have you ever tried to shame a narcissist, or someone with BPD? It definitely does not work on them. To be sure, a punch in the mouth may be more effective.
      - hinkley 2mo ago
        > To be sure, a punch in the mouth may be more effective. HAH! Not all of us are big enough to get away with it, but you're not wrong. Well, also there's been a lot of feedback on both sides. I wasn't the first one to suggest that the rabble rousing was misplaced here. So, I guess we are both guilty of ignoring feedback.
    - antonvs 2mo ago
      “Virtue signaling” is a term narcissists and psychopaths use when they encounter criticism they don’t like. I’m commenting because the post title was obnoxious and deserved to be called out. “Virtue signaling” has nothing to do with it. When someone insults me, even as part of a group, I don’t promise to sit idly by. No, it doesn’t matter to me that you apparently have no shame and will rationalize this criticism. I’m saying it because you and the OP deserve it, and if we don’t push back on this sort of bullshit, it’ll only get worse.
Dylan16807 2mo ago
> the common passive-agressive use of "you're welcome" That exists. > in exactly the kind of context the OP article uses it I do not agree.

by antonvs 2mo ago

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the common passive-agressive use of "you're welcome" in exactly the kind of context the OP article uses it. But it's a thing, even if you haven't come across it.

hinkley 2mo ago

I am well familiar with passive aggressive. This isn’t how you fight it, is the point. Getting worked up is exactly the goal. Go outside. All of you.

samsari 2mo ago
Are you as familiar with "condescending" as you are with "passive aggressive"?
- hinkley 2mo ago
  I am not being condescending. I save that for folks who start it. You don’t want to see me being condescending. Well actually you do, as long as it’s not aimed at you and you get popcorn.
llm_nerd 2mo ago
Who is getting worked up? Who is "outraged", or looking to "manufacture" it? I mean, the only person these descriptions apply to in this discussion is you. Google's blog title is weird. Every normal human being that speaks English will find it weird. Maybe the author is on the spectrum, or maybe they thought their humour would carry better in a technical blog. Your agreement with this is not at all our concern. Maybe you should go outside and settle down?
otterley 2mo ago
> This isn’t how you fight it, is the point Social condemnation has always been used to help keep the behavior of a group within certain acceptable bounds. Whether it's as effective in today's world of ever-escalating attention-seeking competition as it once was is questionable, though. > Getting worked up is exactly the goal. I don’t know who you think is worked up here, but it’s not me. I was merely expressing what impression the author’s choice of words left on me. And clearly I wasn’t alone in that regard. You are the one who chose to attack me as “projecting.” ... You are getting a lot of feedback that you are the one who is mistaken here. Have you considered digesting it instead of defensively escalating? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/3c/dd/2f3cddbe0d3b383ee6d3c990efcf6cbc.gif https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/3c/dd/2f3cddbe0d3b383ee6d3...
- hinkley 2mo ago
  You’re all here to clutch pearls. This has all turned into virtue signalling over a title. There are better things to be doing with your day. It doesn’t matter to you that they have no shame and it will roll off them like water off a ducks back? Have you ever tried to shame a narcissist, or someone with BPD? It definitely does not work on them. They just try to destroy your life for you. The way to deal with that sort is, don’t deal with them at all. Give them nothing until they get bored and leave. If you count it all up there’s rather a lot of people for whom making it your job to control them is a bad outcome for everyone involved. It’s a generalization that has important exceptions.
  - otterley 2mo ago
    > You’re all here to clutch pearls. This has all turned into virtue signalling over a title. I disagree with your characterization, but you do you, I guess. > There are better things to be doing with your day. Perhaps so. There are probably better things for everyone on HN to be doing instead. Nevertheless, as autonomous people, we can choose our own priorities. I, for one, don't appreciate being told how to spend my time. > Have you ever tried to shame a narcissist, or someone with BPD? It definitely does not work on them. To be sure, a punch in the mouth may be more effective.
    - hinkley 2mo ago
      > To be sure, a punch in the mouth may be more effective. HAH! Not all of us are big enough to get away with it, but you're not wrong. Well, also there's been a lot of feedback on both sides. I wasn't the first one to suggest that the rabble rousing was misplaced here. So, I guess we are both guilty of ignoring feedback.
  - antonvs 2mo ago
    “Virtue signaling” is a term narcissists and psychopaths use when they encounter criticism they don’t like. I’m commenting because the post title was obnoxious and deserved to be called out. “Virtue signaling” has nothing to do with it. When someone insults me, even as part of a group, I don’t promise to sit idly by. No, it doesn’t matter to me that you apparently have no shame and will rationalize this criticism. I’m saying it because you and the OP deserve it, and if we don’t push back on this sort of bullshit, it’ll only get worse.

Dylan16807 2mo ago

> the common passive-agressive use of "you're welcome" That exists. > in exactly the kind of context the OP article uses it I do not agree.