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As the original poster you replied to, why do you think it's exaggeration to predict that people will die from increasingly strong heatwaves? This is already ha

• timr 2mo ago
  You need to bring evidence, not press releases. Your first link says that more people died this year, relative to predictions for this year, because of a single heat wave. This has ~nothing to do with the discussion at hand, and is a classic example of the sort of hyperbole I am talking about. The second link says that heat events kill people in the UK. Fine. It links to a single paper claiming that: > half of the heat-related deaths in Europe in the summer of 2022 have been attributed to anthropogenic climate change (Beck et al., 2024). Regardless of the quality of the cited paper, this is a far cry from evidence of a trend. > It's extremely hypocritical of you to accuse me of exaggerating when your own presentation of facts is selective and not-representative of what we are seeing globally. You're literally exaggerating, right now. I quoted the latest IPCC report and told you factually what it says. You linked to a press release and a UK climate portal page that don't support what you're insuinating.
  • lukeify 2mo ago
    > This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand This is a topic concerning El Niño. You acknowledge that the downstream consequences of El Niño effects is amplified heatwaves, presumably. Heatwaves already kill people in many continents globally. It stands to reason _strong_ heatwaves will probably raise mortality further; which is _directly related_ to my original comment. I don't engage with people who aren't willing to be honest with what the data supports.
    • timr 2mo ago
      > I don't engage with people who aren't willing to be honest with what the data supports. OK, whatever. But what was I dishonest about? Cite the figures. Should be pretty easy. ...oh, and by the way: > You acknowledge that the downstream consequences of El Niño effects is amplified heatwaves, presumably. In some places, sure. In others (i.e. the western pacific), it leads to regional cooling. Let's at least get our facts straight.
      • senordevnyc 2mo ago
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        • timr 2mo ago
          Yeah, I know. I didn't expect these to be popular comments. There's a hardcore contingent of people who have an absolutely unshakeable conviction of apocalypse that borders on religious faith, coupled with next to zero understanding of the actual data. To these types, simply telling them what the IPCC reports say, verbatim (what I've done here), is tantamount to heresy. It does bug me a little that their knee-jerk response is always insults and censorship (of course my comment was flagged...no wrongthink allowed here, even if it does come from the IPCC!) but every time they do that, it shows normal thinkers that there's a reasonable center ground, and the doom-and-gloom crowd isn't even remotely being rational. ...but then again, that's probably why their first impulse is censorship.