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Yeah. I don’t see weather or theft addressed in this design. I recall a wheel-mounted rotor system from a few years back that did address theft, tire-wear, an
by calmbonsai 2mo ago
Yeah. I don’t see weather or theft addressed in this design.
I recall a wheel-mounted rotor system from a few years back that did address theft, tire-wear, and weather, but it suffered from far too little torque and very limited battery life.
- rtkwe 2mo agoIt looks like their solution is to make it easy enough to install and remove you take it with you. My thought would be security bolts so the pool of thieves is at least limited to people with the right bolt head. Also it has a big battery built in so
- SoftTalker 2mo agoThieves will just take the whole bike.
- Gigachad 2mo agoTbh solving this is one of the actual use cases for things like flock cameras. Simply bolting things down harder is still defeated by a battery powered grinder.
- jvuygbbkuurx 2mo agoIt's actually solved by putting thieves in prison (by the help of flock cameras).
- defrost 2mo agoIs it though? Does prison work as a deterrence to others?
- blfr 2mo agoThere's usually a fairly small number of criminals in the population and they have short careers. Otherwise, the whole enterprise of society wouldn't be viable. So once you take them off the streets for a couple of years, or decades for the more hardened ones, it's fine. It has an added benefit of breaking criminal networks so the future adepts have no place to fence the stolen goods.
- simondotau 2mo agoOn one hand, you’re breaking existing networks; on the other hand you are establishing a social club for new ones.
- KennyBlanken 2mo agoThat person is insanely naive - either very young, or very lacking in life experience and worldly knowledge.
- KennyBlanken 2mo ago"It has an added benefit of breaking criminal networks so the future adepts have no place to fence the stolen goods" is probably the most naive thing I've ever heard. I also think you have no idea how much it costs per prisoner per year. I also think you have no idea how much harder it is for someone to get a job, housing, a partner, etc after they have a conviction. Or how much whatever life they had falls apart, which includes partners, friends, family. And guess what happens when you strip away all of someone's social connections? They lose that safety net, and are now dependent upon whatever society as whole provides. And in the US we have people saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" non-ironically, not realizing the whole fucking point of that phrase is that recovering from poverty in the US is extremely difficult. That money is better spent on helping people who are not able to afford basic necessities, because that is why a lot of people commit property crime. I suggest you actually open up some studies on this subject because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Or just open up a chart reflecting the economy over the decades and compare it with property crime rates. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world by both headcount and percentage of the population. How's that working for us? We have one of the higher property and violent crime rates among developed nations. Far higher than nations where criminals are imprisoned for rehabilitation, not to punish. Things like giving them a cell that looks like a bedroom, not pen in an animal shelter.
- ajkjk 2mo agoThe idea is that it lowers the number of thieves.
- notourproblem 2mo ago[dead]
- retired 2mo agoWhere I live that’s a win win for thieves. Earn money stealing a bike, have a roof over your head and free food.
- wahnfrieden 2mo agoPolice here don’t even care to help if your car is stolen and you have GPS on it. Cameras and jail do nothing to help protect your property if the police refuse to work.
- pbhjpbhj 2mo ago"here"? We don't know where you are. In the UK police will ask the value of the property stolen and use that to decide whether to do anything. Low-value is under a few £k.
- wahnfrieden 2mo agoToronto or NYC same story
- KennyBlanken 2mo agoAside from the fact that there's little to no actual evidence (not funded by flock cherry-picking, and doing a lot of extremely thin correlation/causation nonsense... No, it's actually solved by providing social safety net programs and managing the economy to have entry level accessible jobs that pay a living wage. People steal because they run out of other options. The cost of flock contracts would be far better spent on food pantries, job counseling, emergency housing... There is nearly zero correlation between the number of police and the amount of crime.
- SoftTalker 2mo agoPrisons are full. We have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. No cops, prosecutors, or judges are interested in putting a bike thief in prison. We've just decided it's an acceptable cost in our society. It's another reason that cycling is not a useable mode of transport in many places: if you don't have a secure/indoor place to put your bike at work or while shopping, it will get stolen. So you either ride bikes that you can afford to lose, which sucks if you have to go any real distance, or you drive.
- dreamcompiler 2mo agoCameras don't solve crimes, Flock or otherwise, unless the cops consider the crime serious. It is almost universal that cops don't consider bike theft serious. This is beginning to change in a few cities but not most.
- Gigachad 2mo agoFrom what I can tell, they are mostly fully occupied with dealing with emergency situations and domestic violence calls. There isn’t the resources allocated to searching for bikes. Especially when there often isn’t much to go off. Making the search process easier makes locating stolen stuff becomes more of an office job that’s cheaper to do so the math works out better.
- SoftTalker 2mo agoThey could solve hundreds of stolen bike reports by just visiting the homeless encampments and running the serial numbers of every bike there. They arent interested, or think the optics are bad.
- taneq 2mo agoYou don’t gotta be impossible to steal from, you just gotta be more annoying to steal from than the next guy.
- Gigachad 2mo agoThey will still steal your seat, lights, wheel, and any other bit they can get. Sure you can use all number of locks, security bolts, and stripping the bike down yourself every time you leave it, but it’s sucks. You’d rather public spaces just be safe.
- wafflemaker 2mo agoJust follow the old Eve online adage - don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If there's lot of theft and you can't store bike at a secure place - have a cheap bike.
- Gigachad 2mo agoYes that's the compromise we have had to live with. But some countries like Singapore and China are showing it is actually possible to just solve theft so you don't have to deal with your bike being stolen.
- mlrtime 2mo agoThere are places in the US like this as well, but are general smaller / tight knit. I don't know of any high trust dense urban areas.
- PunchyHamster 2mo agoIn Eve online they shoot intruders that come in your corp space to mess things up... and it does make space a lot safer. not sure the game you want to go with examples
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- AngryData 2mo agoTheft is solved by making society better, not worse. Make people not want or reliant upon crime to survive.
- mik1998 2mo agoNo one relies on bike theft to "survive".
- a2800276 2mo agoThat's right, people steal bikes because they are inherently evil and want to make baby Jesus cry. I think it's ok to define "survive" as an addict who needs (<-also loosely defined) a fix. You don't generally commit serious white collar crime, tax fraud or do crypto grifts to survive. For petty street crime, I don't really see any other motivation.
- mik1998 2mo agoThere are a lot of teenagers stealing bikes and other stuff for fun. It's common, and in many circles very "cool". Doesn't have to be inherent, really.
- PunchyHamster 2mo agoPeople will steal bike, go where they need to go and just abandon it lmfao
- AngryData 2mo agoNo one goes around stealing bikes just because they want to do bad things.
- mik1998 2mo agoThere is a large amount of people who go around stealing bikes for fun and some cash; and often "street cred" or something akin to that.
- DonHopkins 2mo agoBut Google's AI told me that Flock cameras are full of gold, so I steal those instead of bikes! https://www.techspot.com/news/113381-google-ai-told-people-flock-cameras-full-gold.html https://www.techspot.com/news/113381-google-ai-told-people-f... AngryData> No one goes around stealing bikes just because they want to do bad things. But people go around stealing Flock cameras because they want to do good things.
- PunchyHamster 2mo agoUK has ton of cameras, still plenty of thieving. You're solving wrong problem by solution that WILL be used against you the second govt takes wrong(er) turn
- jszymborski 2mo agoMy bike is $100... If I can take off the $2k electric bike conversion kit and lug it with me, I'd sleep a lot better
- rtkwe 2mo agoThat's a problem people already deal with in a lot of ways mostly by being better locked up than other more stealable bikes. Bikes being stealable isn't exactly a knock against this if you can take it off easily either...
- neves 2mo agoCan't use with mud guards
- giardini 2mo agoAnd WTF is it about mud guards now? When i was young all bicycles came with mud guard (then called "fenders") front and rear. Now they seem to be anathema. Every bike I rode w/o fenders put a stripe of mud up my back!
- pjmlp 2mo agoBeing cynical I would say it is yet another way to upsell. Here in Germany if you want to get a cheaper bicycle, other than flea markets, usually they make you mount the pedals yourself, doesn't have fenders, lights might also be missing, depending on the offer.
- silversmith 2mo agoAre you looking at performance road bikes? Fenders and lights are removed for weight savings, and for pedals there are multiple clip-in systems, you are supposed to install the pedals that match your chosen system. If, however, they are doing that for commuter bikes...
- pjmlp 2mo agoRegular city bikes. This is the approach if you go offers on regular supermarkets that also sell bicycles. Personally I am never going to give more than 400 euros tops, for a new bicycle, it is either that or not much beyond 100 euros at a flea market. Getting the bicycle stolen or worse, revenge damage when they fail to steal it, is not worth more than that.
- Toutouxc 2mo agoI guess that’s the reason you don’t understand why bikes are sold without these things. €400 gets you a very, very, very low-end new bike, like just one step above “unsafe to ride”. You often don’t get pedals on new bikes because you have your favorite pedals that work for you and anything that’s included with the bike goes straight to the bin, because it’s useless trash. You don’t get fenders, because you don’t usually use those on any kind of sporty bike. They’re heavy, they don’t usually work that well, they are often hard to use in bikes with suspension with longer travel or and they can rattle or simply break and fall off if you ride hard. You don’t get lights and reflective elements, because they’re heavy plastic crap that breaks and falls off. If you often ride at night, you probably own some kind of night gear, high powered LEDs, reflective stickers or spokes… And obviously once that is the norm for “bikes” in general, then why not save a few cents on supermarket bikes.
- carlosjobim 2mo agoMillions and millions of people live in places where theft isn't a concern.
- f6v 2mo agoI live in the city considered to be one of the best to live in Europe. Bike theft is absolutely an issue here. I'm afraid to imagine what happens in other countries.
- carlosjobim 2mo agoHundreds of millions of people do not live in cities.