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We're just going to slowly deconstruct every element that could be a factor of intelligence. It's not out-thinking, it's just out-remembering It's not out-thi

• B-Con 2mo ago
  It's almost as if we're building something that... mimics intelligence.
  • nomel 2mo ago
    Can you mimic intelligence?
    • satisfice 2mo ago
      You just did.
      • MajorTakeaway 2mo ago
        Boooom! Headshot!
• hn_throwaway_99 2mo ago
  But the difference really does matter and is not just a case of "whittling down" what intelligence really is. We have known for a very long time that computers and machines are much faster than humans, more accurate, are scalable in certain ways that humans aren't, and they don't tire. I think most people who are not in the "AI cult" would agree that LLMs and modern generative AI are really just an extension of those faster/more accurate/more scalable and never tiring traits. But there does seem to be (and I'm sure folks much smarter than I have quantified this or described it better than I can) a fundamental difference in how humans think, especially as it applies to what true "understanding" really entails, and for the ability to think up truly novel and unique things that are not just a rejiggering/recombination of training data. I believe those skills really are at the heart of human cognition, and as impressive as LLMs are in replicating what this looks like, there are plenty of "LLM failure modes" where it's clear that LLMs lack a true understanding of concepts or the ability to generate useful, completely novel ideas.
  • ben_w 2mo ago
    There's definitely a lot missing from the current state of the art in machine learning that all brains manage to beat, and we can observe this just because an animal that needs as many examples as an AI to learn motor functions would starve to death before learning to eat. However I can only guess that this is important, I'm not absolutely certain. They're at risk of being an economic disruptor just by being extremely stupid (by how much they need to study) faster than us to the same ratio we jog faster than continental drift.
  • jryle70 2mo ago
    Nobody knows what true "understanding" really entails, or what are "truly novel and unique things that are not just a rejiggering/recombination of training data". For the latter, you'd at least have to find an example in history of someone who came up with some idea that has been widely considered "truly novel" by experts, who didn't have any education or training, so no "rejiggering/recombination".
• legulere 2mo ago
  A new technology being able to do something better than humans does not mean it’s intelligent though. A calculation program is not intelligent just because it can remember more digits than me, work more than me
• awesome_dude 2mo ago
  >that could be a factor of intelligence Could is carrying a lot of weight here. Because, what's really happening is we're saying "Oh these things are what defines intelligence" then implementing them and /discovering/ "oh wait, there's more to this than we knew". We've known, for decades, for example that an IQ test is not a measure of Intelligence, even though people still refer to it as though it is. A computer passing an IQ test, therefore, would have been thought of as possessing intelligence way back when, but would not now. Oh, on the point of "creativity" - is a RNG "creative"? It creates a value unbounded by human intervention (in theory, yes Pseudo RNGs have limitations) - therefore it must be creative... right?
• Zigurd 2mo ago
  If you make that list comprehensive, there's probably a Nobel prize in it for you.
• gniv 2mo ago
  That's insightful. AI is teaching us things about our own intelligence by simply evolving under our eyes.