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It would be great if it works out, but I believe this treatment has been suspended in China as there are mixed results (ie people have ended up worse). Being f

It would be great if it works out, but I believe this treatment has been suspended in China as there are mixed results (ie people have ended up worse). Being from Scotland I'd trust an NHS evaluation more than random news reports.

OutOfHere 2mo ago
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- cactusplant7374 2mo ago
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- jtbayly 2mo ago
  FTA: "anecdotally at least, several clinicians say they’ve heard from colleagues in China that the majority of individuals backslide within a year of surgery, echoing broader concerns that any gains might not last."
  - OutOfHere 2mo ago
    The surgery doesn't address the underlying Alzheimers pathology. It just buys time. It's like that with a cardiac bypass or coronary stent, yet no one questions their usefulness. It could be that the science of brain and neck stenting requires similar development. This only adds to the importance of developing experience with it.
- onraglanroad 2mo ago
  I didn't make it up, I found it in the articles explaining why the treatment had been suspended in China. You need to think more.
  - OutOfHere 2mo ago
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    - forestrywat 2mo ago
      Even if you are right, you are using the tone of a conspiracist. You are this close to posting, "They don't want you to know!" Maybe dial it back a bit? You can be firm in your opinions and have more success in convincing others if you avoid vaguely worded accusations and the like.
      - OutOfHere 2mo ago
        Some conspiracies are true. There are billions on the line. Why is it so hard to see?
        forestrywat 2mo ago
        You aren't helping your case. You type like someone who puts pictures up on their wall with red string between them. I don't think a conspiracy is necessary here. Three factors are at play: 1) It needs research. That takes a long time. 2) If its successful and good, the effects need to be studied in patients for years to understand the long term impact 3) Capitalism is going to try and optimize for profit, not for welfare. Which is the point you are making, except... it's not conspiratorial. Capital absolutely is out in the open about this.
        OutOfHere 2mo ago
        That is missing the point. The underlying biological mechanism is rock solid. Engineering is needed to make the procedure less invasive, and to do it well enough to produce results. It won't help the underlying AD pathology, but it's a workaround to mitigate some of the harm. It should in principle work better if done early before large deposits form in the brain. > Capitalism is going to try and optimize for profit This in no way allows spreading falsities and FUD about competitive prospects. It is not excusable.
Jensson 2mo ago
But that would suggest that this cures some form of Alzheimer's but not all forms. If your Alzheimer's is caused by poor drainage due to a one off blockage this would solve it completely, but if its due to something else this would probably just be temporary as the article notes.
HarHarVeryFunny 2mo ago
Alzheimer's is so devastating that I can't blame people for being willing to give it a go even if it's an experimental treatment. The government shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can do, or have done, to their own bodies.
- azan_ 2mo ago
  Government absolutely should tell people what they could do to some degree - vulnerable people are very prone to being scammed.
- OutOfHere 2mo ago
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- forestrywat 2mo ago
  Alzheimer's is tricky. The person who is consenting to the procedure may not be the person in the OR. And both parties are vulnerable to scams and snake oil. This procedure needs studies, so there's a clear rate of success we can understand and communicate.
- Aurornis 2mo ago
  Unfortunately those devastating conditions are exactly where the grifters prey upon people. Some of the people pushing the treatments aren’t grifters in the traditional sense, but they are so invested in the idea of becoming famous for having cured a difficult disease that they lose objectivity and can’t admit when their treatment isn’t working. There is a lot of history in this. Cancer and autism communities have fallen victim to these schemes as far back as those conditions have been recognized. Every year there is a new batch of researchers who claim they’ve found a cure but the government meanies are preventing them from curing the whole world. They generate a lot of false hope, take a lot of money from desperate patients, and then fade into obscurity after the communities realize nobody is actually getting cured by these treatments. This happens in every condition where there is not yet a good medical treatment. Long COVID is a good example of a recent condition where hundreds of doctors have claimed to have invented new treatments. They generate a lot of headlines, collect a lot of money from desperate patients before everyone realizes the cure isn’t working, and then they abandon their cure like it never existed. This is why governments regulate these things. If you assume all of the treatments might work, it seems cruel for governments to get in the way. If you look at the history of how this plays out, they almost never actually have any substance behind them. It’s almost 100% grift or researchers who can’t admit when they’re wrong.
lostlogin 2mo ago
> I believe this treatment has been suspended in China And the surgeon is in prison according to the article.
- BeetleB 2mo ago
  For reasons that may have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

OutOfHere 2mo ago

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cactusplant7374 2mo ago
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jtbayly 2mo ago
FTA: "anecdotally at least, several clinicians say they’ve heard from colleagues in China that the majority of individuals backslide within a year of surgery, echoing broader concerns that any gains might not last."
- OutOfHere 2mo ago
  The surgery doesn't address the underlying Alzheimers pathology. It just buys time. It's like that with a cardiac bypass or coronary stent, yet no one questions their usefulness. It could be that the science of brain and neck stenting requires similar development. This only adds to the importance of developing experience with it.
onraglanroad 2mo ago
I didn't make it up, I found it in the articles explaining why the treatment had been suspended in China. You need to think more.
- OutOfHere 2mo ago
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  - forestrywat 2mo ago
    Even if you are right, you are using the tone of a conspiracist. You are this close to posting, "They don't want you to know!" Maybe dial it back a bit? You can be firm in your opinions and have more success in convincing others if you avoid vaguely worded accusations and the like.
    - OutOfHere 2mo ago
      Some conspiracies are true. There are billions on the line. Why is it so hard to see?
      - forestrywat 2mo ago
        You aren't helping your case. You type like someone who puts pictures up on their wall with red string between them. I don't think a conspiracy is necessary here. Three factors are at play: 1) It needs research. That takes a long time. 2) If its successful and good, the effects need to be studied in patients for years to understand the long term impact 3) Capitalism is going to try and optimize for profit, not for welfare. Which is the point you are making, except... it's not conspiratorial. Capital absolutely is out in the open about this.
        OutOfHere 2mo ago
        That is missing the point. The underlying biological mechanism is rock solid. Engineering is needed to make the procedure less invasive, and to do it well enough to produce results. It won't help the underlying AD pathology, but it's a workaround to mitigate some of the harm. It should in principle work better if done early before large deposits form in the brain. > Capitalism is going to try and optimize for profit This in no way allows spreading falsities and FUD about competitive prospects. It is not excusable.

Jensson 2mo ago

But that would suggest that this cures some form of Alzheimer's but not all forms. If your Alzheimer's is caused by poor drainage due to a one off blockage this would solve it completely, but if its due to something else this would probably just be temporary as the article notes.

HarHarVeryFunny 2mo ago

Alzheimer's is so devastating that I can't blame people for being willing to give it a go even if it's an experimental treatment. The government shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can do, or have done, to their own bodies.

azan_ 2mo ago
Government absolutely should tell people what they could do to some degree - vulnerable people are very prone to being scammed.
OutOfHere 2mo ago
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forestrywat 2mo ago
Alzheimer's is tricky. The person who is consenting to the procedure may not be the person in the OR. And both parties are vulnerable to scams and snake oil. This procedure needs studies, so there's a clear rate of success we can understand and communicate.
Aurornis 2mo ago
Unfortunately those devastating conditions are exactly where the grifters prey upon people. Some of the people pushing the treatments aren’t grifters in the traditional sense, but they are so invested in the idea of becoming famous for having cured a difficult disease that they lose objectivity and can’t admit when their treatment isn’t working. There is a lot of history in this. Cancer and autism communities have fallen victim to these schemes as far back as those conditions have been recognized. Every year there is a new batch of researchers who claim they’ve found a cure but the government meanies are preventing them from curing the whole world. They generate a lot of false hope, take a lot of money from desperate patients, and then fade into obscurity after the communities realize nobody is actually getting cured by these treatments. This happens in every condition where there is not yet a good medical treatment. Long COVID is a good example of a recent condition where hundreds of doctors have claimed to have invented new treatments. They generate a lot of headlines, collect a lot of money from desperate patients before everyone realizes the cure isn’t working, and then they abandon their cure like it never existed. This is why governments regulate these things. If you assume all of the treatments might work, it seems cruel for governments to get in the way. If you look at the history of how this plays out, they almost never actually have any substance behind them. It’s almost 100% grift or researchers who can’t admit when they’re wrong.

lostlogin 2mo ago

> I believe this treatment has been suspended in China And the surgeon is in prison according to the article.

BeetleB 2mo ago
For reasons that may have nothing to do with the topic at hand.