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With previous engineering trends like blockchains and microservices, you could choose not to jump on the bandwagon. However the coding agents trend is different

With previous engineering trends like blockchains and microservices, you could choose not to jump on the bandwagon. However the coding agents trend is different and is changing the very fabric (sry for Claudeism) of software engineering, for better or worse. I do know we will never go back to mainly programming through code again, that’s for sure.

solomatov 2mo ago
>you could choose not to jump on the bandwagon I think it's not an option. The benefits are just too large for me. >I do know we will never go back to mainly programming through code again, that’s for sure. I think, in some niches, i.e. where there's something not well represented in the training set, it still makes sense to write code by hand. But I am not sure that it will continue.
- kreativ_py 2mo ago
  poor reading comprehension, re-read and try again
reactordev 2mo ago
There are still companies who refuse to believe this and still put Senior+ devs through hell during an interview process with junior level algorithm memorization. In all aspects there will be dinosaurs and deniers and there will be embracers.
- watwut 2mo ago
  There is no such thing as "junior level algorithm". And one does not memorize algorithms.
  - saulpw 2mo ago
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    - Izkata 2mo ago
      Better example, leetcode interviews became so popular because people were memorizing FizzBuzz and they needed an alternative (but said interviewers didn't fully understand the purpose of FizzBuzz and though "harder means better, right?").
      - watwut 2mo ago
        leetcode interviews be ame a thing, because many believed solving leetcode style puzzles makes you superior. Not because someone would memorize fizzbuzz. This thinking was popularized by coding competions which existed before leetcode and inspired leetcode. Schools themselves produced people who believed these puzzles are what makes you superior developer - one of us, special and choosen.
- spacechild1 2mo ago
  How can you assess the output of coding agents if you don't know about algorithms and other fundamentals of software engineering?
  - foldr 2mo ago
    I don’t particularly mind algorithmic interview questions (they’re at least self-contained, somewhat objective, and something you can prepare for), but most software engineering has always been done by people with no knowledge of algorithms or compsci fundamentals. What’s being lost is coding fluency, not compsci knowledge.
  - skeledrew 2mo ago
    User acceptance testing.
  - reactordev 2mo ago
    I think you misread. I never said not to learn it. In fact, for your entry level I would recommend testing for it. At senior+ it should be more about software architecture, design patterns, and distributed systems.
Foobar8568 2mo ago
Knowledge work has changed...But it doesn't solve company internal governance nor politics. When it takes anywhere between 2 weeks and 3months to do anything ( including approvals for non prod access) in most organizations...Code has never been the problem.
skydhash 2mo ago
> I do know we will never go back to mainly programming through code again, that’s for sure. Say who?
spacechild1 2mo ago
Fortunately, I haven't jumped the bandwagon yet, so I don't even have to think about going back :)
- gdulli 2mo ago
  People who are trying to sell you AI and people who are now dependent on it are desperate for you to believe in its inevitability.
  - dominotw 2mo ago
    i used to think i love coding. putting some music on and getting into the zone churing code was the best feeling. stragnely i dont miss that feeling and kind of dread going back to it
    - r_lee 2mo ago
      I'd say I "miss" it as in its a great kind of feeling, but it's hard to get when you now know there's a way better way of getting things done
Nextgrid 2mo ago
I'm starting to think there is no AI bandwagon per-se - instead the bandwagon most people associate with AI-assisted development is more a bandwagon of sloppy code and low standards - which irresponsible use of AI enables but isn't a prerequisite for (outsourcing sweatshops have been practicing it long before the dawn of LLMs).

solomatov 2mo ago

>you could choose not to jump on the bandwagon I think it's not an option. The benefits are just too large for me. >I do know we will never go back to mainly programming through code again, that’s for sure. I think, in some niches, i.e. where there's something not well represented in the training set, it still makes sense to write code by hand. But I am not sure that it will continue.

kreativ_py 2mo ago
poor reading comprehension, re-read and try again

reactordev 2mo ago

There are still companies who refuse to believe this and still put Senior+ devs through hell during an interview process with junior level algorithm memorization. In all aspects there will be dinosaurs and deniers and there will be embracers.

watwut 2mo ago
There is no such thing as "junior level algorithm". And one does not memorize algorithms.
- saulpw 2mo ago
  bubblesort has entered the chat
  - Izkata 2mo ago
    Better example, leetcode interviews became so popular because people were memorizing FizzBuzz and they needed an alternative (but said interviewers didn't fully understand the purpose of FizzBuzz and though "harder means better, right?").
    - watwut 2mo ago
      leetcode interviews be ame a thing, because many believed solving leetcode style puzzles makes you superior. Not because someone would memorize fizzbuzz. This thinking was popularized by coding competions which existed before leetcode and inspired leetcode. Schools themselves produced people who believed these puzzles are what makes you superior developer - one of us, special and choosen.
spacechild1 2mo ago
How can you assess the output of coding agents if you don't know about algorithms and other fundamentals of software engineering?
- foldr 2mo ago
  I don’t particularly mind algorithmic interview questions (they’re at least self-contained, somewhat objective, and something you can prepare for), but most software engineering has always been done by people with no knowledge of algorithms or compsci fundamentals. What’s being lost is coding fluency, not compsci knowledge.
- skeledrew 2mo ago
  User acceptance testing.
- reactordev 2mo ago
  I think you misread. I never said not to learn it. In fact, for your entry level I would recommend testing for it. At senior+ it should be more about software architecture, design patterns, and distributed systems.

Foobar8568 2mo ago

Knowledge work has changed...But it doesn't solve company internal governance nor politics. When it takes anywhere between 2 weeks and 3months to do anything ( including approvals for non prod access) in most organizations...Code has never been the problem.

skydhash 2mo ago

> I do know we will never go back to mainly programming through code again, that’s for sure. Say who?

spacechild1 2mo ago

Fortunately, I haven't jumped the bandwagon yet, so I don't even have to think about going back :)

gdulli 2mo ago
People who are trying to sell you AI and people who are now dependent on it are desperate for you to believe in its inevitability.
- dominotw 2mo ago
  i used to think i love coding. putting some music on and getting into the zone churing code was the best feeling. stragnely i dont miss that feeling and kind of dread going back to it
  - r_lee 2mo ago
    I'd say I "miss" it as in its a great kind of feeling, but it's hard to get when you now know there's a way better way of getting things done

Nextgrid 2mo ago

I'm starting to think there is no AI bandwagon per-se - instead the bandwagon most people associate with AI-assisted development is more a bandwagon of sloppy code and low standards - which irresponsible use of AI enables but isn't a prerequisite for (outsourcing sweatshops have been practicing it long before the dawn of LLMs).