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The copyright arguments really trip me. I've always loved law and have had a deep interest in copyright law for 30+ years. I feel it's a really critical legal a

by burnte 2mo ago

The copyright arguments really trip me. I've always loved law and have had a deep interest in copyright law for 30+ years. I feel it's a really critical legal area in modern times, and when Claude tries to argue with me about copyright it really cheeses me off. I didn't ask any copyright questions and I'm well aware of regulations. It refused to share a link with me because it thought the link was copyright protected.

user_7832 2mo ago
I've asked claude for a translation of a song with Brazilian Portuguese lyrics, and claude has very helpfully gone out of its way to say that due to legal reasons, it will never share the actual lyrics with me. It's fun when you want to know what the lyrics are to a song and get treated like a criminal.
- user_7832 2mo ago
  Oh, and if that wasn't enough, I've had Claude refuse to cite the freaking Bible. The famously copyrighted piece of text that definitely isn't intended to have its word spread.
  - mminer237 2mo ago
    As messed up as it it, the KJV is copyrighted in the UK by the Crown still, and most newer translations are copyrighted worldwide by their translators. Obviously if you're using the Textus Receptus or WLC directly there's no copyright.
    - user_7832 2mo ago
      That's a fascinating (if not somewhat disappointing) thing to learn! To be honest I'm not a Bible scholar, I had asked claude for the full version of "ask and you shall receive" (apparently Mathew 7:7). I guess Claude somehow knew this KJV copyright thing perhaps? Still bizzare nonetheless to learn.
    - thayne 2mo ago
      > the KJV is copyrighted in the UK But that only applies if you are subject to UK law right?
      - mminer237 2mo ago
        Correct. It's in the public domain in the US and virtually everywhere else.
    - burnte 2mo ago
      That copyright is only valid in the UK.
- no-name-here 2mo ago
  > … claude has very helpfully gone out of its way to say that due to legal reasons, it will never share the actual lyrics with me. … It's fun when you want to know what the lyrics are to a song and get treated like a criminal. Anthropic has been in court for years being sued over lyrics by the music industry: 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/19/music-lawsuit-ai-song-lyrics-anthropic https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/19/music-law... 2026 https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/us-music-publishers-suing-anthropic-make-their-case-against-ai-fair-use-2026-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/us-music-publish...
  - user_7832 2mo ago
    Oh, for sure. I'm well aware about lyrics copyright, or how even google iirc was sued after a company purposely put wrong lyrics and could prove google was scraping it. I'm not doubting the law. What I am saying, is, when a user uploads a screenshot of lyrics and goes "hey can you translate this please?", the LLM shouldn't go out of its way to make a hue and cry as if it's being asked on how to rob a bank while murdering baby kittens.
  - Godsend69 2mo ago
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- dd8601fn 2mo ago
  It won’t quote me an early 19th century public domain sonnet. Its guardrails are pretty batshit, sometimes.

by burnte 2mo ago

user_7832 2mo ago

I've asked claude for a translation of a song with Brazilian Portuguese lyrics, and claude has very helpfully gone out of its way to say that due to legal reasons, it will never share the actual lyrics with me. It's fun when you want to know what the lyrics are to a song and get treated like a criminal.

user_7832 2mo ago
Oh, and if that wasn't enough, I've had Claude refuse to cite the freaking Bible. The famously copyrighted piece of text that definitely isn't intended to have its word spread.
- mminer237 2mo ago
  As messed up as it it, the KJV is copyrighted in the UK by the Crown still, and most newer translations are copyrighted worldwide by their translators. Obviously if you're using the Textus Receptus or WLC directly there's no copyright.
  - user_7832 2mo ago
    That's a fascinating (if not somewhat disappointing) thing to learn! To be honest I'm not a Bible scholar, I had asked claude for the full version of "ask and you shall receive" (apparently Mathew 7:7). I guess Claude somehow knew this KJV copyright thing perhaps? Still bizzare nonetheless to learn.
  - thayne 2mo ago
    > the KJV is copyrighted in the UK But that only applies if you are subject to UK law right?
    - mminer237 2mo ago
      Correct. It's in the public domain in the US and virtually everywhere else.
  - burnte 2mo ago
    That copyright is only valid in the UK.
no-name-here 2mo ago
> … claude has very helpfully gone out of its way to say that due to legal reasons, it will never share the actual lyrics with me. … It's fun when you want to know what the lyrics are to a song and get treated like a criminal. Anthropic has been in court for years being sued over lyrics by the music industry: 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/19/music-lawsuit-ai-song-lyrics-anthropic https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/19/music-law... 2026 https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/us-music-publishers-suing-anthropic-make-their-case-against-ai-fair-use-2026-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/us-music-publish...
- user_7832 2mo ago
  Oh, for sure. I'm well aware about lyrics copyright, or how even google iirc was sued after a company purposely put wrong lyrics and could prove google was scraping it. I'm not doubting the law. What I am saying, is, when a user uploads a screenshot of lyrics and goes "hey can you translate this please?", the LLM shouldn't go out of its way to make a hue and cry as if it's being asked on how to rob a bank while murdering baby kittens.
- Godsend69 2mo ago
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dd8601fn 2mo ago
It won’t quote me an early 19th century public domain sonnet. Its guardrails are pretty batshit, sometimes.