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Wow you have a relentlessly unrealistic view of things. >>Ask a civil engineer the degree to which they can fight their leadership on these grounds. Both civil
by toss1 2mo ago
Wow you have a relentlessly unrealistic view of things.
>>Ask a civil engineer the degree to which they can fight their leadership on these grounds.
Both civil engineers and doctors both can and absolutely do refuse to sign off on unsafe situations.
That does not mean they detect them 100% of the time, or never cave to pressure, but they absolutely do. We just never hear about the incidents that didn't happen because a doctor or engineer forced the right solution or no action — precisely because nothing newsworthy happened. We DO hear about the ones that did happen, Therac-25, Mars Climate Orbiter loss, Cloudflare outage, it is endless
>>I think it actually selects against those who are bad at avoiding responsibility and not legally savvy.
You might think that, but clearly you have never read even the summaries of cases where doctors lost their licenses. Hint: it was not some mistake that could have been covered up by better schmoozing. If anything, the system is too lenient.
The rest isn't even worth the bytes to respond; just handwaving an attitude. There are very good arguments to not have licensing on software engineering but you are not making them
- groundzeros2015 2mo ago> Wow you have a relentlessly unrealistic view of things. I noticed from your response that you didn’t really refute the claims, but that suggesting that systems don’t achieve their stated goal gives you a distasteful feeling. > We just never hear about the incidents that didn't happen because a doctor or engineer forced the right solution or no action And the same is true of software. I and my peers tell my bosses ideas are bad all the time. We don’t need a credential to do that. And the credential is not what gave us trust with that decision maker. > If anything, the system is too lenient. Correct. Bad doctors continue to keep their jobs all their time. So that’s my point. What is the criteria that distinguishes those cases? Both doctors made a medical error. Which one gets off and which one gets fired? The doctor who is more focused on medicine is likely the one less skilled at navigating the legal problem. The doctors making mistakes and keeping their jobs are a pathological minority that is reinforced by their credential giving them authority to operate.