3 ms·

> The whole "learn to code" and software bootcamp craze always baffled me. Why? While the rest of your comment explains why the plan failed, it seems like it s

> The whole "learn to code" and software bootcamp craze always baffled me. Why? While the rest of your comment explains why the plan failed, it seems like it should be pretty obvious why business would try to attract an increased supply. Hint: It puts downward pressure on price. Same reason they are trying again with AI. > every other job I can think of at a similar salary level has entrance requirements' Yes, the artificial restrictions on supply is how those careers have similar salaries. Other occupations moved to have restrictions so that they could have high salaries. Software never felt the need to do the same because the natural market propped up salaries just the same, but we'll see how long that lasts now before software practitioners panic and clammer for restrictions to prop salaries back up like the others. AI does actually seem to be making inroads where "learn to code" failed. Granted, like as suggested at the top of this, the upper class of software engineers who have the necessary reputation and prestige to drive software towards being a licensed profession are not feeling the same pinch that the middle class is feeling, so that is going to make it hard to see restrictions come to fruition even now. When the upper class of software engineers start becoming afraid of shrinking incomes, that's when software engineering will start needing a license.

eru 2mo ago
> Hint: It puts downward pressure on price. Same reason they are trying again with AI. You say it like it's a bad thing. About occupational licensing for software: it's also a uniquely global market, so I'm not sure how any one economy moving ahead with occupational licensing would work, unless they also restricted what software you can import or use in the cloud.
- disgruntledphd2 2mo ago
  > About occupational licensing for software: it's also a uniquely global market, so I'm not sure how any one economy moving ahead with occupational licensing would work, unless they also restricted what software you can import or use in the cloud. Relatively easily, tbh. Just create a regulation that requires either the country's standards or equivalent ones to be used in the creation of any software sold to people/businesses in the country/region.
  - sadlyuramoron 2mo ago
    Want to get standards-compliant garbage? That's how you get standards-compliant garbage.
    - disgruntledphd2 2mo ago
      I don't really, but at least there would be standards. Like, the massive amount of hacks and breaches we've seen in the past ten years indicate that something needs to happen.
      - win311fwg 2mo ago
        There are plenty of standards. For example, the GDPR is a well known one (mostly because everyone is tired of pressing "Accept cookies" buttons). But standards are always going to be slow to react. Even in mature industries like construction the standards are still trying to find completeness. The standards today are way different than they were a decade ago and they'll be way different ten years from now. And building construction is something that we've been doing for almost as long as humans have existed. Those standards have been built up over centuries and millennia. Software is gaining some maturity, but still a young pup in the grand scheme of things, so it hasn't had much time to even get through the easy standards.
      - sadlyuramoron 2mo ago
        [dead]
- win311fwg 2mo ago
  > You say it like it's a bad thing. What to you suggests it is said as a bad thing? It reads neutrally to me.

eru 2mo ago

> Hint: It puts downward pressure on price. Same reason they are trying again with AI. You say it like it's a bad thing. About occupational licensing for software: it's also a uniquely global market, so I'm not sure how any one economy moving ahead with occupational licensing would work, unless they also restricted what software you can import or use in the cloud.

disgruntledphd2 2mo ago
> About occupational licensing for software: it's also a uniquely global market, so I'm not sure how any one economy moving ahead with occupational licensing would work, unless they also restricted what software you can import or use in the cloud. Relatively easily, tbh. Just create a regulation that requires either the country's standards or equivalent ones to be used in the creation of any software sold to people/businesses in the country/region.
- sadlyuramoron 2mo ago
  Want to get standards-compliant garbage? That's how you get standards-compliant garbage.
  - disgruntledphd2 2mo ago
    I don't really, but at least there would be standards. Like, the massive amount of hacks and breaches we've seen in the past ten years indicate that something needs to happen.
    - win311fwg 2mo ago
      There are plenty of standards. For example, the GDPR is a well known one (mostly because everyone is tired of pressing "Accept cookies" buttons). But standards are always going to be slow to react. Even in mature industries like construction the standards are still trying to find completeness. The standards today are way different than they were a decade ago and they'll be way different ten years from now. And building construction is something that we've been doing for almost as long as humans have existed. Those standards have been built up over centuries and millennia. Software is gaining some maturity, but still a young pup in the grand scheme of things, so it hasn't had much time to even get through the easy standards.
    - sadlyuramoron 2mo ago
      [dead]
win311fwg 2mo ago
> You say it like it's a bad thing. What to you suggests it is said as a bad thing? It reads neutrally to me.