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I think Lovable is a very dumb product and that virtually anyone of any level of technical knowhow would be better served by using normal agents or perhaps Repl

I think Lovable is a very dumb product and that virtually anyone of any level of technical knowhow would be better served by using normal agents or perhaps Replit The fact that "1.2M projects" are made weekly yet seemingly none of consequence speaks for itself

subygan 2mo ago
lovable is not aimed at devs though
- pydry 2mo ago
  the apps people make with it still need to be used by someone.
neongreen 2mo ago
I was on the agent team at Lovable (no longer working there). I think most solo devs would be better served by using Lovable than Codex or Claude, for the kind of apps Lovable is optimized for (i.e. CRUDs with thirdparty SaaS integrations).. and if you ignore the cost, b/c Codex sub is hard to beat. Lovable is a normal, fully capable agent harness. With a Linux box. With all the usual features like MCPs, skills, subagents, browser, and whatever else. You can ask Lovable to grab Rust from nixpkgs, write a raytracer, and compile to WASM, and it will happily do it. You can ask Lovable to write an OS in assembly and run it in v86, and it will do it. (I did both.) The alternative to Lovable isn't Codex, but "Codex + Cloudflare account". I don't doubt that eventually Codex will be really good at using Workers and Durable Objects and R2 and serverless SQLite and Wrangler -- and having everything Just Work without needlessly exposing it to the user -- but idk I think it's not there yet.
- indigodaddy 2mo ago
  Or just any agent on any VPS/VM. Or better yet exe.dev that has auth and TLS proxy/domains built-in, + Shelley Web Agent ready to go
  - neongreen 2mo ago
    I’m using exe.dev, yeah, but I don’t feel like it is a quality of life improvement for CRUD apps. Deploying smth that has to be persistent like a discord bot — yeah sure. “Any agent on any VPS/VM” is an agent with self hosted infra. Lovable is an agent with managed infra. I think having managed infra is neat.
    - indigodaddy 2mo ago
      Valid points.
jvwww 2mo ago
Similarly I find your comment dumb. First off a huge portion of their user base are not technical. What are they going to do? Use Cc or Codex and then attempt to host their db, frontend and backend somewhere. No chance. Secondly, a lot of the apps built on lovable are for internal purposes and not necessarily used publicly. Honestly I could go on and on with various points to refute your dumb comment. Is lovable worth 13B? Probably not, but I completely get why people think it is. It serves a market of non technical people that want to build apps and websites without having to use something horrible like Wordpress.

subygan 2mo ago

lovable is not aimed at devs though

pydry 2mo ago
the apps people make with it still need to be used by someone.

neongreen 2mo ago

I was on the agent team at Lovable (no longer working there). I think most solo devs would be better served by using Lovable than Codex or Claude, for the kind of apps Lovable is optimized for (i.e. CRUDs with thirdparty SaaS integrations).. and if you ignore the cost, b/c Codex sub is hard to beat. Lovable is a normal, fully capable agent harness. With a Linux box. With all the usual features like MCPs, skills, subagents, browser, and whatever else. You can ask Lovable to grab Rust from nixpkgs, write a raytracer, and compile to WASM, and it will happily do it. You can ask Lovable to write an OS in assembly and run it in v86, and it will do it. (I did both.) The alternative to Lovable isn't Codex, but "Codex + Cloudflare account". I don't doubt that eventually Codex will be really good at using Workers and Durable Objects and R2 and serverless SQLite and Wrangler -- and having everything Just Work without needlessly exposing it to the user -- but idk I think it's not there yet.

indigodaddy 2mo ago
Or just any agent on any VPS/VM. Or better yet exe.dev that has auth and TLS proxy/domains built-in, + Shelley Web Agent ready to go
- neongreen 2mo ago
  I’m using exe.dev, yeah, but I don’t feel like it is a quality of life improvement for CRUD apps. Deploying smth that has to be persistent like a discord bot — yeah sure. “Any agent on any VPS/VM” is an agent with self hosted infra. Lovable is an agent with managed infra. I think having managed infra is neat.
  - indigodaddy 2mo ago
    Valid points.

jvwww 2mo ago

Similarly I find your comment dumb. First off a huge portion of their user base are not technical. What are they going to do? Use Cc or Codex and then attempt to host their db, frontend and backend somewhere. No chance. Secondly, a lot of the apps built on lovable are for internal purposes and not necessarily used publicly. Honestly I could go on and on with various points to refute your dumb comment. Is lovable worth 13B? Probably not, but I completely get why people think it is. It serves a market of non technical people that want to build apps and websites without having to use something horrible like Wordpress.