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I refuse to use that product because of the parent company.
by LeBit 2mo ago
I refuse to use that product because of the parent company.
- Recurecur 2mo ago[flagged]
- rootusrootus 2mo agoDo you not ever 'vote with your wallet'?
- forestrywat 2mo agoIt's not virtue signaling. People are allowed to have morals. And they are allowed to act in ways that align with those moral beliefs. > do you use Apple equipment despite Apple’s use of Chinese slave labor? If someone said they didn't buy Apple because of this, I'd support them in that too. People. Are. Complicated. We're allowed to have beliefs, we're allowed to have beliefs that aren't internally consistent. You gotta get over the idea that people aren't genuine believers in their beliefs.
- qwerpy 2mo agoThe issue is that this is supposed to be a tech discussion forum and many of us don’t want to be repeatedly beaten over the head with other people’s politics. Plenty of other places to be political, we just wish this wasn’t one of them.
- solid_fuel 2mo ago> The issue is that this is supposed to be a tech discussion forum and many of us don’t want to be repeatedly beaten over the head with other people’s politics. Maybe that wouldn’t be a problem if Elon Musk would lay off the ketamine and shut his fucking mouth sometime. But instead he spends all day tweeting about how anyone he doesn’t like is a “traitor to western civilization” and calling for executions. Why is it surprising that people are reacting to his words and actions? You want the politics to go away, get a CEO that doesn’t make everything political.
- hackyhacky 2mo ago> many of us don’t want to be repeatedly beaten over the head with other people’s politics I agree completely. That's why I won't use Grok: its owner repeatedly beats us over the head with his politics, and I won't encourage it.
- qwerpy 2mo agoIt's fine to make your own choices about what you want to spend your money on. But it gets old to constantly have actual technical discussion drowned out by the same repetitive low-effort comments in every single post. I want to hear about what people have used Grok for, how it compares to other models, what it's not good at, etc., without having to wade through all the predictable "Elon bad" comments. @dang - feature request for HN: have a "Thunderdome" section for the off-topic political commentary on the site, and once enough people flag something for being political, it gets detached and moved to the Thunderdome. People can let off steam there and the rest of us can have a nice clean place to read about tech.
- sumeno 2mo agoThere are already features that let you skip conversations you don't like. Just click the - next to the post and stop whining about it
- jeffhuys 2mo agoHuh. I feel that way with the other models - all the same. Eh, what can you do. Have fun out there.
- GlickWick 2mo agoThere's always been "politics" embedded in this tech discussion forum. Generally you shouldn't discuss politics for politics sake, but if someone's politics are intersecting with their product (which is Musk's entire MO), of course people will have thoughts. Besides, if Musk embeds his politics into everything he does, it's fair game to discuss his merits in that arena.
- forestrywat 2mo agoTech has always been political. You think Mitnick and Woz weren't political? You think windows and the powerpc werent political? That social media isn't political? You don't like seeing politics you disagree with. You just don't think things you agree with are politics. I come to HN to learn, to be exposed to different modes of thought. To engage in useful creative discourse over disagreements. The idea that HN or tech is free from politics is intellectually vacant thinking.
- baal80spam 2mo ago> It's not virtue signaling. Oh but it is. Normal people don't go to McDonalds shouting: "I refuse to eat here because they kill cows!". They just... don't go there.
- sumeno 2mo agoDidn’t realize we were posting on the xAI website. My mistake
- forestrywat 2mo agoYour analogy is goofy. An analogy is like, "People don't go to other people's kitchens and discuss their thoughts on McDonalds". And yeah, they totally do. The person isn't complaining about grok to grok, they aren't even complaining about grok on X.
- qwerpy 2mo agoWhen you make politics a big part of your identity, you can’t help but to inject it everywhere. It’s glaringly weird and annoying for those of us who are apathetic and just want to talk about tech, but that’s how it has been for a few years.
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- bakies 2mo agoGet some emotions and care about people
- hackyhacky 2mo ago> It’s glaringly weird and annoying for those of us who are apathetic Do you think being apathetic is a good thing? You may not care about politics, but politics definitely cares about you.
- wilburx3 2mo ago100%, it's an easy pass given that it is always playing catch up.
- qlte 2mo agoFor me it helps that back when xAI was the new hotness, after reading HN comments constantly advertising the free Grok credits they were giving out each month for developers with data sharing enabled, I eventually set aside my personal distaste figuring I might as well take advantage for Cline/Roo Code. I opened a developer API account, loaded 5 dollars and got the free $100s of credits for the month. Like two weeks later, xAI announced they were shutting down the subsidized credits entirely lol. Didn’t even get a full month out of it, and closed my account entirely since I sure wasn’t ever going to put another penny of my own money in. So my personal lesson was to ignore any hype about the latest “crazy value / unbeatable / free / subsidized X, Y or Z” from anything xAI/Elon adjacent in the future. These days I get more than enough personal usage from Codex + OpenCode Go to put up with yet another xAI/Cursor offer treadmill, especially if it involves installing new tooling to get it.
- jryle70 2mo agoI can respect if you say you hate their guts. Everyone has their worldview. But over moral or ethical stand? You don't have any if you're using Chinese models, or fly Middle East airlines, or countless of other products. Don't delude yourself.
- epolanski 2mo agoChinese models are open, Grok is not.
- scottyah 2mo agoThey aren't though? Only a subset are. Are you aware that there are multiple competing Chinese companies making models?
- andriy_koval 2mo agochances are high they are open for now because they infiltrating market and collecting data.
- mirekrusin 2mo agocollecting data by making them open weight? where is logic in that?
- andriy_koval 2mo agoInfiltraiting market by making them open weight, then majority users still use official API, and you have answer to your question.
- mirekrusin 2mo agoAnthropic and friends infiltrate without open weights and their infiltration is 100% of traffic that goes through their official api.