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> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why l

by re-thc 2mo ago

> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there...

crimsoneer 2mo ago
I mean, the Chinese government doesn't really believe in checks and balances, or corporations as autonomous to the state. That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma). You could argue the US has the Cloud Act, and obviously their respect for rules based law and order as a concept has heavily deteriorated, for but it's a very different kettle of fish to a regime who just doesn't even believe in the concept.
- toasty228 2mo ago
  Meanwhile Trump is building a surveillance state with all his tech executives friends who all massively benefit from government sponsored schemes, it's TOTALLY different!
  - crimsoneer 2mo ago
    At the risk of stating the obvious, Trump has had his tariff policy killed off in the courts (although it'll obviously come back in some form) and in a few months is going to have (probably not great) midterm elections. And there are pretty open efforts to commit genocide in Xinjiang to preserve a nationalist myth of ethnic purity. So, you know, yes.
- KerrAvon 2mo ago
  So have you looked at what's happened in the US over the past 10 years? The US has much further to fall, but it's falling very, very quickly and if there's ever another Democratic president they're going to have to rebuild a lot of the government from scratch.
  - rayiner 2mo ago
    The unelected bureaucracy was more like the chinese party system. The U.S. has a strong-president model by design: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed70.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed70.asp. The check isn’t supposed to come from unelected bureaucrats, it’s that the strong president is elected every four years. It’s supposed to be a tight feedback loop. Engineers of all people should understand why that’s good. When the next democrat president gets into office, he or she should do the same thing as Trump: put trusted deputies in charge of various departments and whip them to actually do what people elected the administration to do. That’s how our system is supposed to work. And democratic voters would I’m sure be much happier with the party if they sometimes actually got what they voted for.
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  - ryandvm 2mo ago
    I dunno. I'm just glad Congress can barely pass any legislation. What an Executive Order does, another Executive Order can just as easily undo.
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- re-thc 2mo ago
  > That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma) That is a conspiracy. Do you even know what happened to Jack Ma? From what you're saying you don't. Also that was MANY years ago. The Shanghai stock market crashed. Companies had a lot of fear then yes. Things have changed and repaired. I'd say China in this sense is moving upwards and the US is going downwards in policy. > You could argue the US has the Cloud Act No, not really. Your Jack Ma example happened to Elon Musk to some extent. Jack Ma had a feud with the Chinese government as much as Elon had a feud with the US government in the last year or so. Back then Tesla and the other projects all tanked.
bellowsgulch 2mo ago
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- dancemethis 2mo ago
  Yeah. There is just one dominant direction when you take into account how it's clearly depicted to the rest of the world, and no direct popular vote for the highest chair. Oh wait, that's the United States. The difference between red and blue is just that it's more able to do business and bombs come with flowers when dealing with federal governments of the latter.
nater5000 2mo ago
China is clearly the US' main adversary. I don't take it personally and I don't believe China is inherently evil or something, but you'd have to be an idiot to be a US citizen and believe that you can trust China more than your own government in any general sense. Just the same, if you're a Chinese citizen and you believe you can trust the US more than your own government, then you're also an idiot. It's not a matter of whether or not you can trust these governments at all; it just comes down to which government do your self-interests align with best. It's not some grand political statement to acknowledge that my interests don't align well with the interests of the Chinese government. It's just an obvious fact.
- bellowsgulch 2mo ago
  Public education is clearly nonexistent. Just incredible. Did these people just sit and do nothing for their entire grade school education? An elementary school child learns what imperialism, war, and human nature is.
- re-thc 2mo ago
  > It's just an obvious fact. What's the fact? Facts require proof, right? Where is in it? > China is clearly the US' main adversary. This? It's clearly documented Trump and friends randomly made that policy up in the 1st term. Can you tell from the current term? There's been more effort spent on non-China matters, e.g. Middle East related than China. > it just comes down to which government do your self-interests align with best Why do you have to pick 1? Most normal people, US citizens or not wouldn't. Tesla has a gigafactory in China. Apple is trying to buy Chinese memory. Meta tried to buy Manus AI. What adversary?
- tancop 2mo ago
  thats exactly why a lot of people in europe or america trust china more. enemy governments have zero direct power over you and they dont really want to work together with your government. they cant hurt you, only the country you live in. and with the snowden leaks, epstein files, ICE raids, rising fascism in europe, chat control, genocidal wars in ukraine and palestine, there is no reason to support your country anymore.

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crimsoneer 2mo ago

I mean, the Chinese government doesn't really believe in checks and balances, or corporations as autonomous to the state. That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma). You could argue the US has the Cloud Act, and obviously their respect for rules based law and order as a concept has heavily deteriorated, for but it's a very different kettle of fish to a regime who just doesn't even believe in the concept.

toasty228 2mo ago
Meanwhile Trump is building a surveillance state with all his tech executives friends who all massively benefit from government sponsored schemes, it's TOTALLY different!
- crimsoneer 2mo ago
  At the risk of stating the obvious, Trump has had his tariff policy killed off in the courts (although it'll obviously come back in some form) and in a few months is going to have (probably not great) midterm elections. And there are pretty open efforts to commit genocide in Xinjiang to preserve a nationalist myth of ethnic purity. So, you know, yes.
KerrAvon 2mo ago
So have you looked at what's happened in the US over the past 10 years? The US has much further to fall, but it's falling very, very quickly and if there's ever another Democratic president they're going to have to rebuild a lot of the government from scratch.
- rayiner 2mo ago
  The unelected bureaucracy was more like the chinese party system. The U.S. has a strong-president model by design: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed70.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed70.asp. The check isn’t supposed to come from unelected bureaucrats, it’s that the strong president is elected every four years. It’s supposed to be a tight feedback loop. Engineers of all people should understand why that’s good. When the next democrat president gets into office, he or she should do the same thing as Trump: put trusted deputies in charge of various departments and whip them to actually do what people elected the administration to do. That’s how our system is supposed to work. And democratic voters would I’m sure be much happier with the party if they sometimes actually got what they voted for.
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- ryandvm 2mo ago
  I dunno. I'm just glad Congress can barely pass any legislation. What an Executive Order does, another Executive Order can just as easily undo.
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re-thc 2mo ago
> That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma) That is a conspiracy. Do you even know what happened to Jack Ma? From what you're saying you don't. Also that was MANY years ago. The Shanghai stock market crashed. Companies had a lot of fear then yes. Things have changed and repaired. I'd say China in this sense is moving upwards and the US is going downwards in policy. > You could argue the US has the Cloud Act No, not really. Your Jack Ma example happened to Elon Musk to some extent. Jack Ma had a feud with the Chinese government as much as Elon had a feud with the US government in the last year or so. Back then Tesla and the other projects all tanked.

bellowsgulch 2mo ago

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dancemethis 2mo ago
Yeah. There is just one dominant direction when you take into account how it's clearly depicted to the rest of the world, and no direct popular vote for the highest chair. Oh wait, that's the United States. The difference between red and blue is just that it's more able to do business and bombs come with flowers when dealing with federal governments of the latter.

nater5000 2mo ago

China is clearly the US' main adversary. I don't take it personally and I don't believe China is inherently evil or something, but you'd have to be an idiot to be a US citizen and believe that you can trust China more than your own government in any general sense. Just the same, if you're a Chinese citizen and you believe you can trust the US more than your own government, then you're also an idiot. It's not a matter of whether or not you can trust these governments at all; it just comes down to which government do your self-interests align with best. It's not some grand political statement to acknowledge that my interests don't align well with the interests of the Chinese government. It's just an obvious fact.

bellowsgulch 2mo ago
Public education is clearly nonexistent. Just incredible. Did these people just sit and do nothing for their entire grade school education? An elementary school child learns what imperialism, war, and human nature is.
re-thc 2mo ago
> It's just an obvious fact. What's the fact? Facts require proof, right? Where is in it? > China is clearly the US' main adversary. This? It's clearly documented Trump and friends randomly made that policy up in the 1st term. Can you tell from the current term? There's been more effort spent on non-China matters, e.g. Middle East related than China. > it just comes down to which government do your self-interests align with best Why do you have to pick 1? Most normal people, US citizens or not wouldn't. Tesla has a gigafactory in China. Apple is trying to buy Chinese memory. Meta tried to buy Manus AI. What adversary?
tancop 2mo ago
thats exactly why a lot of people in europe or america trust china more. enemy governments have zero direct power over you and they dont really want to work together with your government. they cant hurt you, only the country you live in. and with the snowden leaks, epstein files, ICE raids, rising fascism in europe, chat control, genocidal wars in ukraine and palestine, there is no reason to support your country anymore.