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In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap". Any apparent short term gain is really a prescription for long term pain. Ignore what AI fanboys say and instea

In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap". Any apparent short term gain is really a prescription for long term pain. Ignore what AI fanboys say and instead look at what they do. https://northeasttimes.com/2026/08/07/oracle-bans-ai-code-from-java-s-backbone-while-spending-billions-on-ai/ https://northeasttimes.com/2026/08/07/oracle-bans-ai-code-fr...

packetlost 2mo ago
Oracle banned AI code for copyright reasons, you cannot interpret that as a assessment of the practical output of the models.
- SpicyLemonZest 2mo ago
  It strongly argues against a position that many people including myself have taken, that all code will soon be AI code and the only people still writing code by hand are those who haven’t gotten the memo. (I don’t mean to rule out the possibility that Oracle, despite their involvement in AI infrastructure, is just being dumb and the lawyers made them create a policy that’s not compatible with the modern practice of software development.)
- stonefoot 2mo ago
  That's only one of the three reasons in the article: 1) Reviewer burden - LLMs can produce a deluge plausible but incorrect code which can overwhelm human reviewers. 2) Safety and Security - Many corporations depend on the JDK so stability is a high priority. 3) Copyright/IP about who owns submissions generated by AI is not settled in law. The article also goes on to compare the JDK teams policy to GraalVM, also in Oracle which is more similar to the Linux kernel policy, where AI submissions are allowed, but the human submitter is accountable to them, which is reasonable too. It's not unreasonable, in my opinion, for the JDK team to limit AI contributions based on their stated priorities, just like how other teams might not require those same restrictions.
- ok123456 2mo ago
  Oracle banned AI code from a public project they maintain and backport/share with a commercial product because they're a very litigious company, anticipating future legal cases.
tp3358 2mo ago
Is it long term pain if a small startup in a very competitive vertical gets to market quicker with code gen and finds market fit? Whether that results in a rewrite or a refactor, that is still a huge win and one that a lot of people will gamble on.
- dgellow 2mo ago
  Do you have examples? Ideally a startup that isn’t itself selling AI to other AI companies
  - tp3358 2mo ago
    Example of startups/incumbents that are using AI to reinforce workflows? I am assuming you don't read up on this stuff much, but it's everywhere. I can give you multiple examples in my industry (logistics) that are actively using AI to speed up doc collection, invoicing, maintenance cycles, and in general, a lot of back office flows. These are just some of the bigger guys that are either raising seed funding or already well-established... I can't imagine all the small and obscure teams that are chasing the same thing. https://www.flexport.com/ https://www.flexport.com/ https://www.loop.com/ https://www.loop.com/ https://bubba.ai/ https://bubba.ai/ https://alvys.com/ https://alvys.com/ https://www.roserocket.com https://www.roserocket.com https://www.withterminal.com/ https://www.withterminal.com/ A lot of these guys have marketshare already and are weaving AI surgically through the stack, which is how people should be building. These aren't AI wrapper companies... these are companies that are leveraging AI to amplify their existing products. I am not sure why it's so hard for people to assume the semantical analysis that AI offers can't be leveraged properly inside of a product. Take this one post, and then extrapolate similar products across all verticals... that is currently the waters that are being tested. Law, healthcare, construction, etc - there all getting pressure tested for similar AI integrations.
- florianherrengt 2mo ago
  Debt is debt. Some of it is absolutely worth taking on. I don’t have any issue with intentional debt when you understand the trade-off and have a clear payoff plan.
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gfhhnki 2mo ago
Just look at how they bragged for a year now about how AI built entire apps with a single prompt. And now that code is being watermarked by AI, suddenly they’re artists, painstakingly prompting, crafting, to get just the right code; the watermark is unethical even! AI psychosis is real, and even some of the smartest people I know how succumbed to it.
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packetlost 2mo ago

Oracle banned AI code for copyright reasons, you cannot interpret that as a assessment of the practical output of the models.

SpicyLemonZest 2mo ago
It strongly argues against a position that many people including myself have taken, that all code will soon be AI code and the only people still writing code by hand are those who haven’t gotten the memo. (I don’t mean to rule out the possibility that Oracle, despite their involvement in AI infrastructure, is just being dumb and the lawyers made them create a policy that’s not compatible with the modern practice of software development.)
stonefoot 2mo ago
That's only one of the three reasons in the article: 1) Reviewer burden - LLMs can produce a deluge plausible but incorrect code which can overwhelm human reviewers. 2) Safety and Security - Many corporations depend on the JDK so stability is a high priority. 3) Copyright/IP about who owns submissions generated by AI is not settled in law. The article also goes on to compare the JDK teams policy to GraalVM, also in Oracle which is more similar to the Linux kernel policy, where AI submissions are allowed, but the human submitter is accountable to them, which is reasonable too. It's not unreasonable, in my opinion, for the JDK team to limit AI contributions based on their stated priorities, just like how other teams might not require those same restrictions.
ok123456 2mo ago
Oracle banned AI code from a public project they maintain and backport/share with a commercial product because they're a very litigious company, anticipating future legal cases.

tp3358 2mo ago

Is it long term pain if a small startup in a very competitive vertical gets to market quicker with code gen and finds market fit? Whether that results in a rewrite or a refactor, that is still a huge win and one that a lot of people will gamble on.

dgellow 2mo ago
Do you have examples? Ideally a startup that isn’t itself selling AI to other AI companies
- tp3358 2mo ago
  Example of startups/incumbents that are using AI to reinforce workflows? I am assuming you don't read up on this stuff much, but it's everywhere. I can give you multiple examples in my industry (logistics) that are actively using AI to speed up doc collection, invoicing, maintenance cycles, and in general, a lot of back office flows. These are just some of the bigger guys that are either raising seed funding or already well-established... I can't imagine all the small and obscure teams that are chasing the same thing. https://www.flexport.com/ https://www.flexport.com/ https://www.loop.com/ https://www.loop.com/ https://bubba.ai/ https://bubba.ai/ https://alvys.com/ https://alvys.com/ https://www.roserocket.com https://www.roserocket.com https://www.withterminal.com/ https://www.withterminal.com/ A lot of these guys have marketshare already and are weaving AI surgically through the stack, which is how people should be building. These aren't AI wrapper companies... these are companies that are leveraging AI to amplify their existing products. I am not sure why it's so hard for people to assume the semantical analysis that AI offers can't be leveraged properly inside of a product. Take this one post, and then extrapolate similar products across all verticals... that is currently the waters that are being tested. Law, healthcare, construction, etc - there all getting pressure tested for similar AI integrations.
florianherrengt 2mo ago
Debt is debt. Some of it is absolutely worth taking on. I don’t have any issue with intentional debt when you understand the trade-off and have a clear payoff plan.
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gfhhnki 2mo ago

Just look at how they bragged for a year now about how AI built entire apps with a single prompt. And now that code is being watermarked by AI, suddenly they’re artists, painstakingly prompting, crafting, to get just the right code; the watermark is unethical even! AI psychosis is real, and even some of the smartest people I know how succumbed to it.

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