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Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish. I did not use to think that. Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and

by gspr 2mo ago

Because Russia is a danger to all that I cherish. I did not use to think that. Then they brutally and unprovokedly attacked the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and showed their true face. Russia must be resisted until those responsible for that war are held accountable and Ukraine is whole, free and compensated, and all imprisoned and kidnapped Ukrainians (especially the kidnapped children) are returned. Once those things are done, I'd be open to a slow process of normalization for the sake of the Russian people.

drysine 2mo ago
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- gspr 2mo ago
  > How do you make the leap from the war? I don't think you cherish post-2014 Kiev regime. I cherish the world in which it is unacceptable to invade your neighbors, kill their people, occupy their country, destroy their buildings and kidnap their children because you dislike their government. Doubly so as an actual neighbor of the Russian menace! > People keep repeating this as if the promise of NATO membership in 2008[0] was never given The independent and free nation of Ukraine has the right to join any alliance they want and that wants them. If Russia considers that a provocation, that's entirely Russia's problem. Disagree? Simple question. I bet you won't answer. > and the coup engineered by the US in 2014[1] didn't happen. That source does not at all prop up your insane claim. At most, it suggests that the US meddles.
  - drysine 2mo ago
    >I cherish the world in which it is unacceptable to invade your neighbors Only neighbors? Invading a country that is not a neighbor is fine? What I'm asking is are you consistent in your judgement? Do you boycott companies from the US and its allies for the invasion of Iraq, bombing of Serbia and Libya, invasion of Syria, recent attack on Iran? If you do, I have nothing but respect for you. >The independent and free nation of Ukraine has the right to join any alliance they want and that wants them. Sure >If Russia considers that a provocation, that's entirely Russia's problem. So you don't think that a country has the right to react to the expansion of a military alliance that has not long ago bombed countries that hadn't attacked it[0][1]? And likewise the members of that alliance in smaller gangs invaded other countries [2][3][4] who hadn't attacked them first either? >I bet you won't answer. What have you bet on that? Just curious [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unified_Protector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unified_Protector [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#2016%E2%80%932017_military_interventions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syr...
    - mopsi 2mo ago
      What's wrong with bombing Yugoslavia? The bombing campaign cost about 500 lives, but put an end to a decade-long series of wars that had killed 140 000 people and made 4 million refugees. Never seen anyone explain what exactly the grievance is here.
      - matkoniecz 2mo ago
        > Never seen anyone explain what exactly the grievance is here. at least part of grievance is from people who were able to murder people they disliked and were forced to stop that
        drysine 2mo ago
        >people they disliked Are you sure that's the reason? NATO bombed the wrong people if you ask me. Look at the Hashim Thaçi, the commander of the most powerful faction of so called "Kosovo Liberation Army" and then the first prime minister and later the president of Kosovo, who is now under trial: "On 24 April 2020, the Kosovo Specialist Chambers and Specialist Prosecutor's Office located in The Hague filed a ten-count Indictment for the Court’s consideration, charging Hashim Thaçi, Kadri Veseli and others for crimes against humanity and war crimes, including murder, enforced disappearance of persons, persecution, and torture. The indictment charges the suspects with approximately 100 murders of Kosovo Albanians, Serbs, Roma, and political opponents." [0] Too bad he seem to get away with trafficing organs of Serbs: A report to the Council of Europe, written by Dick Marty, issued on 15 December 2010 states that Hacim Thaçi was the leader of the "Drenica Group" in charge of trafficking organs taken from Serbian prisoners. [1] An EU Report released in 2014 concluded that organ theft and trafficking took place but "on a very limited scale with a few individuals involved".[2] Many witnesses of KLA crimes were murdered or intimidated.[3] Here is Thaci posting happy photo of him and "old friend" Joe Biden long after the accusations became public[4]. I find it hard to believe that CIA and other Western agencies were unaware of the nature of gangs NATO was helping. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Resignation_and_arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Resignation_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Controversie... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt:_Me_and_the_War_Criminals#Organisations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt:_Me_and_the_War_Crimi... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War_crimes_witness_intimidation_and_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War_crimes_witness_inti... [4] https://x.com/HashimThaciRKS/status/914137831739678721 https://x.com/HashimThaciRKS/status/914137831739678721
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by gspr 2mo ago

drysine 2mo ago

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gspr 2mo ago
> How do you make the leap from the war? I don't think you cherish post-2014 Kiev regime. I cherish the world in which it is unacceptable to invade your neighbors, kill their people, occupy their country, destroy their buildings and kidnap their children because you dislike their government. Doubly so as an actual neighbor of the Russian menace! > People keep repeating this as if the promise of NATO membership in 2008[0] was never given The independent and free nation of Ukraine has the right to join any alliance they want and that wants them. If Russia considers that a provocation, that's entirely Russia's problem. Disagree? Simple question. I bet you won't answer. > and the coup engineered by the US in 2014[1] didn't happen. That source does not at all prop up your insane claim. At most, it suggests that the US meddles.
- drysine 2mo ago
  >I cherish the world in which it is unacceptable to invade your neighbors Only neighbors? Invading a country that is not a neighbor is fine? What I'm asking is are you consistent in your judgement? Do you boycott companies from the US and its allies for the invasion of Iraq, bombing of Serbia and Libya, invasion of Syria, recent attack on Iran? If you do, I have nothing but respect for you. >The independent and free nation of Ukraine has the right to join any alliance they want and that wants them. Sure >If Russia considers that a provocation, that's entirely Russia's problem. So you don't think that a country has the right to react to the expansion of a military alliance that has not long ago bombed countries that hadn't attacked it[0][1]? And likewise the members of that alliance in smaller gangs invaded other countries [2][3][4] who hadn't attacked them first either? >I bet you won't answer. What have you bet on that? Just curious [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unified_Protector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unified_Protector [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#2016%E2%80%932017_military_interventions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syr...
  - mopsi 2mo ago
    What's wrong with bombing Yugoslavia? The bombing campaign cost about 500 lives, but put an end to a decade-long series of wars that had killed 140 000 people and made 4 million refugees. Never seen anyone explain what exactly the grievance is here.
    - matkoniecz 2mo ago
      > Never seen anyone explain what exactly the grievance is here. at least part of grievance is from people who were able to murder people they disliked and were forced to stop that
      - drysine 2mo ago
        >people they disliked Are you sure that's the reason? NATO bombed the wrong people if you ask me. Look at the Hashim Thaçi, the commander of the most powerful faction of so called "Kosovo Liberation Army" and then the first prime minister and later the president of Kosovo, who is now under trial: "On 24 April 2020, the Kosovo Specialist Chambers and Specialist Prosecutor's Office located in The Hague filed a ten-count Indictment for the Court’s consideration, charging Hashim Thaçi, Kadri Veseli and others for crimes against humanity and war crimes, including murder, enforced disappearance of persons, persecution, and torture. The indictment charges the suspects with approximately 100 murders of Kosovo Albanians, Serbs, Roma, and political opponents." [0] Too bad he seem to get away with trafficing organs of Serbs: A report to the Council of Europe, written by Dick Marty, issued on 15 December 2010 states that Hacim Thaçi was the leader of the "Drenica Group" in charge of trafficking organs taken from Serbian prisoners. [1] An EU Report released in 2014 concluded that organ theft and trafficking took place but "on a very limited scale with a few individuals involved".[2] Many witnesses of KLA crimes were murdered or intimidated.[3] Here is Thaci posting happy photo of him and "old friend" Joe Biden long after the accusations became public[4]. I find it hard to believe that CIA and other Western agencies were unaware of the nature of gangs NATO was helping. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Resignation_and_arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Resignation_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i#Controversie... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt:_Me_and_the_War_Criminals#Organisations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt:_Me_and_the_War_Crimi... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War_crimes_witness_intimidation_and_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War_crimes_witness_inti... [4] https://x.com/HashimThaciRKS/status/914137831739678721 https://x.com/HashimThaciRKS/status/914137831739678721
- drysine 2mo ago
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