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There’s a difference between the abuse potential of ‘a car’ and ‘a nationwide surveillance network that tracks your location any time you’re on a public road’

pudgywalsh 2mo ago
If she used a GPS tracker instead of an ALPR as alleged, would you be demanding they be outlawed? As it stands they're $20 on Amazon with dozens to choose from.
- 27183 2mo ago
  A more relevant question is why does some knuckle dragging street pig have access to surveillance tech? This should be regulated exactly the same as wiretapping--specific reasons, specific cases, specific authorization, etc. It should not have been possible for this piece of shit to access the system at all.
- jjj123 2mo ago
  If all people had to have gps trackers installed on their cars and that data was easily accessible to cops, yeah I would demand they be outlawed.
- pamcake 2mo ago
  I would question why individual police officers would be able to plant pucks administered by the agency and track using (a combination of third-party and) agency infrastructure at will without oversight and properly reviewed papertrail. Nobody's calling for outright banning of cameras. It's about the way these and their feeds are being deployed, integrated and utilized.
- atmavatar 2mo ago
  No need to outlaw the device. If the cop used an unauthorized GPS tracker without a warrant, you could take them to court for a Fourth Amendment violation and stand a pretty good chance at winning. Even if you want to argue it was done purely as a personal citizen vs. citizen matter, you could almost certainly win a lawsuit for harassment and stalking. There's plenty of precedent for both types of cases. Flock cameras are stalking at scale, and they should not be tolerated.
  - veec_cas_tant 2mo ago
    I think even the most ardent supporter of CCTV or Flock or whatever would agree that misuse should be treated harshly. Zero difference between Flock and any number of investigative powers afforded to the government, many without a warrant. Misuse by an officer should be very heavily punished.
- nancyminusone 2mo ago
  If you do this as an individual, this could get you anywhere from a misdemeanor to a felony in some states. If you're a cop and do it, it counts as a 4th amendment search. Neither "make the device" illegal, but they do make using them for the designed purpose illegal. In the same way owning a sawzall is legal, but using one to cut down all flock cameras in your town is illegal. As it stands, they're about $100 on Amazon with several options to choose from.
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pudgywalsh 2mo ago

If she used a GPS tracker instead of an ALPR as alleged, would you be demanding they be outlawed? As it stands they're $20 on Amazon with dozens to choose from.

27183 2mo ago
A more relevant question is why does some knuckle dragging street pig have access to surveillance tech? This should be regulated exactly the same as wiretapping--specific reasons, specific cases, specific authorization, etc. It should not have been possible for this piece of shit to access the system at all.
jjj123 2mo ago
If all people had to have gps trackers installed on their cars and that data was easily accessible to cops, yeah I would demand they be outlawed.
pamcake 2mo ago
I would question why individual police officers would be able to plant pucks administered by the agency and track using (a combination of third-party and) agency infrastructure at will without oversight and properly reviewed papertrail. Nobody's calling for outright banning of cameras. It's about the way these and their feeds are being deployed, integrated and utilized.
atmavatar 2mo ago
No need to outlaw the device. If the cop used an unauthorized GPS tracker without a warrant, you could take them to court for a Fourth Amendment violation and stand a pretty good chance at winning. Even if you want to argue it was done purely as a personal citizen vs. citizen matter, you could almost certainly win a lawsuit for harassment and stalking. There's plenty of precedent for both types of cases. Flock cameras are stalking at scale, and they should not be tolerated.
- veec_cas_tant 2mo ago
  I think even the most ardent supporter of CCTV or Flock or whatever would agree that misuse should be treated harshly. Zero difference between Flock and any number of investigative powers afforded to the government, many without a warrant. Misuse by an officer should be very heavily punished.
nancyminusone 2mo ago
If you do this as an individual, this could get you anywhere from a misdemeanor to a felony in some states. If you're a cop and do it, it counts as a 4th amendment search. Neither "make the device" illegal, but they do make using them for the designed purpose illegal. In the same way owning a sawzall is legal, but using one to cut down all flock cameras in your town is illegal. As it stands, they're about $100 on Amazon with several options to choose from.
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