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> Not slop, though. What would you call 2k commits in 2 months by a single committer if not slop?

rahen 2mo ago
It definitely is vibe-coded, but yogthos is a competent programmer who has been working on public Clojure projects and repos since 2009, and has maintained a large Clojure framework since well before LLMs were a thing. I don't think "2k commits in 2 months" is enough to dismiss as slop when it's being developed by a competent Clojure dev.
- YorickPeterse 2mo ago
  Competent or not, slop is still slop. The website in particular uses the exact same copy-paste layout/style produced by LLMs and used by pretty much every slop project out there. One very quick "slop or not?" test is to see if em dashes are used in the source code where they literally never make sense. It's not a great test, but it's one that consistently turns out to be good enough. The results should speak for themselves: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ajolt-lang%2Fjolt+%E2%80%94&type=code https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ajolt-lang%2Fjolt+%E2%80%9...
  - yogthos 2mo ago
    The website layout is the same one I used in projects like Luminus long before LLMs even existed https://luminusweb.com https://luminusweb.com If you have specific comments about the quality of the code then I'd be happy to discuss that. Attacking other people's work because they used tools you don't understand is just toxic trolling. And the fact that you judge code quality by the number of em dashes in the comments really speaks volumes. Maybe spend a bit of time figuring out how to use new tools effectively instead of harping on what other people are doing. It's very telling that whenever somebody starts braying about slop, they never have anything of substance to say. All the noise you add to discussions people are trying to have is the real slop.
  - didibus 2mo ago
    If you consider all AI generated text or code slop, then sure, the project's code is AI generated. But in my case I think there are levels. In this case, the author has the expertise needed to properly design the work and assess the quality of the output. And it seems they intend to maintain and evolve the library actively and long term. Would I prefer a serious Clojure on chez that's all hand-written, for sure, but beggars can't be choosers.
  - danieltanfh95 2mo ago
    Probably good to note that this person is building his own language: https://inko-lang.org/ https://inko-lang.org/
yogthos 2mo ago
If you have any actual constructive criticism of the code, then I'd love to hear them.
- davexunit 2mo ago
  Why would I read something you couldn't be bothered to write?
  - yogthos 2mo ago
    The real question is why you feel the need to comment on something you don't care to understand. Thanks for admitting you're just trolling and there's no point trying to engage with you.
  - andsoitis 2mo ago
    That's such a knee-jerk, unproductive, smug, uncritical retort. Why?
    - cindyllm 2mo ago
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    - blks 2mo ago
      Tbf, author didn’t really read or write it, why anyone else should
      - yogthos 2mo ago
        I really love how people keep trotting out this straw man man that working with LLMs is just typing a prompt and then having LLM magically produce a working project. In practice, you obviously read the code to understand if it makes sense, and iterate on a solution just as you would when writing it by hand. All you're doing here is exposing the fact that you have no clue how these tools actually work, or how to use them effectively.
        2mo ago
broken-kebab 2mo ago
'Slop' is a word about quality, like in 'AI slop' - a low quality code generated with LLM. Did OP managed to achieve reasonable quality notwithstanding the speed? I don't know yet, but unless you can point to something sloppy in the repo, calling it slop may not be warranted.
andsoitis 2mo ago
> > Not slop, though. > What would you call 2k commits in 2 months by a single committer if not slop? Productivity. Slop is when you push a huge volume of garbage or mediocre stuff, no?

rahen 2mo ago

It definitely is vibe-coded, but yogthos is a competent programmer who has been working on public Clojure projects and repos since 2009, and has maintained a large Clojure framework since well before LLMs were a thing. I don't think "2k commits in 2 months" is enough to dismiss as slop when it's being developed by a competent Clojure dev.

YorickPeterse 2mo ago
Competent or not, slop is still slop. The website in particular uses the exact same copy-paste layout/style produced by LLMs and used by pretty much every slop project out there. One very quick "slop or not?" test is to see if em dashes are used in the source code where they literally never make sense. It's not a great test, but it's one that consistently turns out to be good enough. The results should speak for themselves: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ajolt-lang%2Fjolt+%E2%80%94&type=code https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ajolt-lang%2Fjolt+%E2%80%9...
- yogthos 2mo ago
  The website layout is the same one I used in projects like Luminus long before LLMs even existed https://luminusweb.com https://luminusweb.com If you have specific comments about the quality of the code then I'd be happy to discuss that. Attacking other people's work because they used tools you don't understand is just toxic trolling. And the fact that you judge code quality by the number of em dashes in the comments really speaks volumes. Maybe spend a bit of time figuring out how to use new tools effectively instead of harping on what other people are doing. It's very telling that whenever somebody starts braying about slop, they never have anything of substance to say. All the noise you add to discussions people are trying to have is the real slop.
- didibus 2mo ago
  If you consider all AI generated text or code slop, then sure, the project's code is AI generated. But in my case I think there are levels. In this case, the author has the expertise needed to properly design the work and assess the quality of the output. And it seems they intend to maintain and evolve the library actively and long term. Would I prefer a serious Clojure on chez that's all hand-written, for sure, but beggars can't be choosers.
- danieltanfh95 2mo ago
  Probably good to note that this person is building his own language: https://inko-lang.org/ https://inko-lang.org/

yogthos 2mo ago

If you have any actual constructive criticism of the code, then I'd love to hear them.

davexunit 2mo ago
Why would I read something you couldn't be bothered to write?
- yogthos 2mo ago
  The real question is why you feel the need to comment on something you don't care to understand. Thanks for admitting you're just trolling and there's no point trying to engage with you.
- andsoitis 2mo ago
  That's such a knee-jerk, unproductive, smug, uncritical retort. Why?
  - cindyllm 2mo ago
    [dead]
  - blks 2mo ago
    Tbf, author didn’t really read or write it, why anyone else should
    - yogthos 2mo ago
      I really love how people keep trotting out this straw man man that working with LLMs is just typing a prompt and then having LLM magically produce a working project. In practice, you obviously read the code to understand if it makes sense, and iterate on a solution just as you would when writing it by hand. All you're doing here is exposing the fact that you have no clue how these tools actually work, or how to use them effectively.
      - 2mo ago

broken-kebab 2mo ago

'Slop' is a word about quality, like in 'AI slop' - a low quality code generated with LLM. Did OP managed to achieve reasonable quality notwithstanding the speed? I don't know yet, but unless you can point to something sloppy in the repo, calling it slop may not be warranted.

andsoitis 2mo ago

> > Not slop, though. > What would you call 2k commits in 2 months by a single committer if not slop? Productivity. Slop is when you push a huge volume of garbage or mediocre stuff, no?