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> Content providers, like MPAA films, should have to identify what sort of content they are providing. Then I can give my kids a device configured to allow some

by pwg 2mo ago

> Content providers, like MPAA films, should have to identify what sort of content they are providing. Then I can give my kids a device configured to allow some or all of that at my discretion. If the intent were to actually protect children, then this would be what was done. "Protect the children" is just a subterfuge to get electorate support for voting for the foundation for a "1984 thought crime" style monitoring of the internet.

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AtHeartEngineer 2mo ago
And surveillance capitalism
slg 2mo ago
Do folks realize how many people would need to be a part of this conspiracy to get these laws passed at the state level? Maybe some people actually want to do good and are just misguided. And responding to those people as if they are evil government stooges certainly isn’t going to help them find the light.
- an0malous 2mo ago
  On the other hand, I don't know a single person or have even heard of people or organizations who are advocating to pass these laws. They want the war in Iran to stop and for costs to go down. How is there so much political willpower for the former and almost none for the latter?
  - shakes_mcjunkie 2mo ago
    Meta is spending a lot of money on age verification lobbying https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh...
- EvanAnderson 2mo ago
  The adtech companies need human verification so they can keep selling ads. Age verification is a way to get that under the radar because normal people are pissed off about "the children" and "the social media". You've also got cultural warriors who would love to censor speech on the Internet championing it, too.
  - wtallis 2mo ago
    This kind of age signalling with no verification whatsoever does not help the adtech companies at all.
    - hellojesus 2mo ago
      This is step one. The next step is to say that it's not working and we need hardware attlestation or some such nonsense.
    - pull_my_finger 2mo ago
      You don't think knowing a users self disclosed age-group would be beneficial to adtech? A) they shrug any liability for showing inappropriate things to minors when all the onus is on the OS to provide accurate info, and B) they get a highly-likely to be accurate piece of profiling information to add the the already huge pile they collect from spying on people 24/7 and harvesting microdata from browser APIs and mobile apps.
      - queenkjuul 1mo ago
        Every adtech already has a surprisingly accurate age profile on every single user. They genuinely don't have much to gain here.
    - EvanAnderson 2mo ago
      It helps soften people up for nastier stuff later. As an example: Decades ago CPUID and a machine readable processor serial number was massively controversial. Today burned-in device IDs being sent to websites is status quo.
- derangedHorse 2mo ago
  > Do folks realize how many people would need to be a part of this conspiracy to get these laws passed at the state level? Not many. > Maybe some people actually want to do good and are just misguided Yes. That's why it doesn't take many to be part of this conspiracy. You can just get people to play a part in the conspiracy by rallying supporters under the guise of good intentions. > And responding to those people as if they are evil government stooges certainly isn’t going to help them find the light Most of those people will probably die not finding the light. They are people who won't have to live with the long term consequences. Most of the Illinois House (~70%) is 46+ [1]. The senate statistic is even worse sitting at almost 75% for individuals 46+. If life expectancy in the US is around 80, that means people who are in the first half of their expected life are drastically underrepresented (especially considering Illinois's 46+ demographic only occupies around ~45% [2]) [1] https://cypp.rutgers.edu/age-in-the-2025-illinois-general-assembly/ https://cypp.rutgers.edu/age-in-the-2025-illinois-general-as... [2] https://www.impactdupage.org/demographicdata?id=16&sectionId=942 https://www.impactdupage.org/demographicdata?id=16&sectionId...

by pwg 2mo ago

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AtHeartEngineer 2mo ago

And surveillance capitalism

slg 2mo ago

Do folks realize how many people would need to be a part of this conspiracy to get these laws passed at the state level? Maybe some people actually want to do good and are just misguided. And responding to those people as if they are evil government stooges certainly isn’t going to help them find the light.

an0malous 2mo ago
On the other hand, I don't know a single person or have even heard of people or organizations who are advocating to pass these laws. They want the war in Iran to stop and for costs to go down. How is there so much political willpower for the former and almost none for the latter?
- shakes_mcjunkie 2mo ago
  Meta is spending a lot of money on age verification lobbying https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh...
EvanAnderson 2mo ago
The adtech companies need human verification so they can keep selling ads. Age verification is a way to get that under the radar because normal people are pissed off about "the children" and "the social media". You've also got cultural warriors who would love to censor speech on the Internet championing it, too.
- wtallis 2mo ago
  This kind of age signalling with no verification whatsoever does not help the adtech companies at all.
  - hellojesus 2mo ago
    This is step one. The next step is to say that it's not working and we need hardware attlestation or some such nonsense.
  - pull_my_finger 2mo ago
    You don't think knowing a users self disclosed age-group would be beneficial to adtech? A) they shrug any liability for showing inappropriate things to minors when all the onus is on the OS to provide accurate info, and B) they get a highly-likely to be accurate piece of profiling information to add the the already huge pile they collect from spying on people 24/7 and harvesting microdata from browser APIs and mobile apps.
    - queenkjuul 1mo ago
      Every adtech already has a surprisingly accurate age profile on every single user. They genuinely don't have much to gain here.
  - EvanAnderson 2mo ago
    It helps soften people up for nastier stuff later. As an example: Decades ago CPUID and a machine readable processor serial number was massively controversial. Today burned-in device IDs being sent to websites is status quo.
derangedHorse 2mo ago
> Do folks realize how many people would need to be a part of this conspiracy to get these laws passed at the state level? Not many. > Maybe some people actually want to do good and are just misguided Yes. That's why it doesn't take many to be part of this conspiracy. You can just get people to play a part in the conspiracy by rallying supporters under the guise of good intentions. > And responding to those people as if they are evil government stooges certainly isn’t going to help them find the light Most of those people will probably die not finding the light. They are people who won't have to live with the long term consequences. Most of the Illinois House (~70%) is 46+ [1]. The senate statistic is even worse sitting at almost 75% for individuals 46+. If life expectancy in the US is around 80, that means people who are in the first half of their expected life are drastically underrepresented (especially considering Illinois's 46+ demographic only occupies around ~45% [2]) [1] https://cypp.rutgers.edu/age-in-the-2025-illinois-general-assembly/ https://cypp.rutgers.edu/age-in-the-2025-illinois-general-as... [2] https://www.impactdupage.org/demographicdata?id=16&sectionId=942 https://www.impactdupage.org/demographicdata?id=16&sectionId...