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Why do you want this? I honestly think we’ve completely forgotten how to be present and notice the real world without the idea of augmenting it.

jayd16 2mo ago
Because its cool. I mean, the real answer is that we have the technology to be tech wizards. You could conjure spatially anchored widgets and screens and gauges. You could put a cooking show screen above the stove, where a physical screen wouldn't work. You could put a synced calendar on the wall. Notes app on the fridge, weather reminders by the door. ...a million mundane conveniences in the house alone. But still, its too heavy and to do the spatial anchoring you need a device with a constant camera feed and the only folks who make that at the moment have questionable morals.
- eldaisfish 2mo ago
  but then you are not present, you are distracted by a computer. Just because that computer does not have a clunky monitor, doesn't mean that you aren't any less distracted. Some of the attitudes on this website, especially ones like yours, are the literal reason we are in this mess today. Please, please, if you have the power, push back on this nonsense from the inside. We need more people talking to other people like real humans, not like notes in a digital diary.
  - jayd16 2mo ago
    Nothing I described replaces or impacts talking to a human. If someone is going to distract themselves in XR, they can already do it more efficiently on a handset. The only change would be your posture and eye strain could possibly improve.
    - eldaisfish 2mo ago
      Why then are you trying to justify invasive hidden cameras in more places? Really, why not just use the existing solutions? This push for « convenience » is how we ended up with microphones in people’s most private spaces. I urge you to consider whether humanity really needs more technological solutions to social problems.
      - deleted 2mo ago
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  - fortyseven 2mo ago
    Who are you to dictate what somebody enjoys? Don't worry about it. Do you.
  - subscribed 2mo ago
    Why is that a problem for you? It's XR, for them it's a notes app in the convenient place, for me it might be a next meeting reminder on the wall next to my work screen, so I can work less distracted and more focused. Why is their way of enriching their connected life a problem? I think some of the worst attitudes on this website is projecting own worst case scenarios and implying bad intentions to the most innocuous or honest signals. That's the problem much bigger than someone's glasses - you support polarisation and teaming (us vs them) instead of seeking connection or understanding.
- mrguyorama 2mo ago
  People always say this like having an actual board of notes on the fridge hasn't been trivially possible for a century. It's like people obsessing over window managers. 99% of the time, the amount of windows you have showing is not the problem, you can't really focus on more than one at a time anyway. Consider as a demonstrative example, race car drivers. They have had options to have extremely detailed Heads Up Displays with all sorts of absurd data available at a glance for decades. But they largely do not use tons of data like that, because it's just not compatible with the human brain. They already are looking at things more often and processing more info than a "normal" person while racing, but that heads up display would not benefit them. Similarly, the Heads Up Display for modern fighter jets is very lightweight, focusing on allowing you to see around it and provide you the very basics of flight instrumentation and a standard orientation instrument. People just have wild ideas about how to "optimize" their lives that are just not supported by reality. You would be better off making flash cards about those things you want to "know" in that moment and drilling them. I too used to be drawn to this idea. Back in 2016ish, I got an ODBII dongle for my car and app for my phone and was so excited about all the data I was going to have at a glance, just like some sort of pro! But the data was pointless and meaningless. Oh, timing advance is at 20 degrees in this throttle regime. Cool I guess. Eventually I gave up and only have my car showing instantaneous fuel efficiency, which is the only valuable data point for my needs.
  - senordevnyc 2mo ago
    The information density on a fighter jet HUD has nothing to do with hanging a calendar on your wall.
  - jyounker 2mo ago
    > Consider as a demonstrative example, race car drivers. They have had options to have extremely detailed Heads Up Displays with all sorts of absurd data available at a glance for decades. It's kind of a bad example, because there are other reasons that we don't have HUDsin cars. A friend of mine designed car interiors. His explanation went like this: With a HUD, you have to pick a focus point. In an airplane, when you look forward, your eyes are always focused at infinity, so the HUD is focused there. It has the same focus point as your eyes. In a car everything is slower and closer, so you have to constantly change your focus. The HUD though has a single focus point though, and drivers' eyes tend to lock onto the HUD's focus. This focus lock interferes with normal scanning, and drivers stop seeing important things. They don't notice important things, so they get into accidents. According to him, HUDs in cars lead to much higher accident rates.
- watwut 2mo ago
  > You could put a cooking show screen above the stove, where a physical screen wouldn't work. You could put a synced calendar on the wall. Notes app on the fridge, weather reminders by the door. ...a million mundane conveniences in the house alone. Honestly, they sound all useless. Like, junk gandgets you get because someone needed to give you a christmas gift, then you use them for like 2 weeks as toys and then they end up forgotten collecting dust junk. The reason people dont have those is because they dont have real actual utility.
  - jayd16 2mo ago
    Sure, a lot of these are super niche. But each one of these costs nothing. Gadgets become software. Its the final gadget.
- asdff 2mo ago
  All things you can already do with the phone you already own. Only it isn't mounted on the wall I guess. But is that really such a showstopper that demands this technology? You could also get a dummy screen that displays this info. Reminds me of ipad and to a lesser extent, apple watch. It came out with a ton of hype, tons of people got one, only to never really use it because hey, it only does the exact same stuff as the phone you carry around with you all the time anyhow.
  - jayd16 2mo ago
    For the most part, a phone gets you most of the way there. They're currently the apex predators of the mobile space. I think the one thing that a headset does bring to the table is the hands free nature of it. There are quite a few AR apps and use cases that phones can currently do that fall short because you need to hold your phone out and that's really invasive and fatiguing. In theory you could have things like a walk through of a DIY engine repair that adds virtual pointers and highlights to important things. You could do this in a video where you go to your phone, watch a step, rewind, put the phone down, find where in the real world the thing is, do the thing, wipe your hands, pick up the phone, repeat etc. but I imagine it would be nicer in AR. I'm not saying spend a trillion dollars on this, just that it would be a neat thing.
    - asdff 2mo ago
      If they ever gave a shit about voice controls we could have had that 20 years ago with a desktop monitor in the garage. But sadly phones still screw up 50 and 15 with voice controls today. Scrubbing through video would be pretty frustrating on voice control.
      - jayd16 2mo ago
        The Vision Pro, for example, has enough fidelity that you can do that sort of thing with a hand gesture fairly easily.
bigblind 2mo ago
I think you can be present in the moment, but still find value in a tool like this. I may not be "the norm" because I'm legally blind, but in some sense, a tool like this could make me even more present. I currently use my phone a lot to zoom in on signs to read them. I'd love it if I wouldn't have to hold a phone in front of my face, just to know whether the place I'm standing in front of is, in fact, Jimmy's Barbershop, or whatever place I'm trying to navigate to for the first time.
- foco_tubi 2mo ago
  I do think accessibility is a great market for innovation like this, but it doesn’t mean it’s appropriate for general populations. Take electric mobility devices, for example. Electric wheelchairs are great for people who are paralyzed, but e-scooters have become a scourge for some urban residents as their users park them on sidewalks, block curb cuts, and generally get in the way of pedestrians.
  - 8note 2mo ago
    it of course, also sucks to be using an electric wheelchair, with many streets having utter junk for sidewalks and other accessibility. the new scooters and such will actually fix that as infrastructure gets rebuilt to better support them. the end of having e-scooters will be that things are a little better for wheelchairs, even if there's a temporary rougher spot
- asdff 2mo ago
  If you used a set of binoculars people would guess you are bird watching
gopalv 2mo ago
> notice the real world without the idea of augmenting it. The core problem of solitude is curiosity and sonder. When I smell fennel on a hike, I want to know what it is - yeah, this is dog fennel. When I see a strange symbol on a taxi car, I want to know why it is 3 arrows on bow and what that is. Seeing a strange dog and wondering what kind of dog that is (a whippet?). A glimpse of a black bird with red shoulder patches. Hearing someone's ringtone (not these days anymore) and wonder why it is familiar ("ah, it is spelled fa9la, who'd have guessed"). There is a twinge of "This is why we can't have nice things" about the whole article for someone who can't get enough of the world you can see through your eyes.
- ear7h 2mo ago
  Curiousity is characterized by the pursuit for the answer, not the ability or speed to find the answer. You can still be curious without a google search bar, and I often find those pursuits are (1) much more rewarding and (2) stick around enough to become knowledge.
- vitorfblima 2mo ago
  I'd say, if anything, this would make me less curious. The less you know, the better.
  - joemi 2mo ago
    The "ignorance is bliss" approach doesn't work for everyone.
sodapopcan 2mo ago
I'm with you, here. People just think very differently, though. For example, I really enjoy sci-fi, but I've always viewed as a neat fantasy. Sometimes I think "It would be cool if this were real," but mostly I lean toward, "I'm so glad none of this is actually real." Different stokes, though.
joemi 2mo ago
I'm not the person that you're replying to, but: It can be less intrusive than using a phone, I believe. That makes it a step closer to being present. (I don't know specifics, but I'm assuming that the display can be turned off when not in use.) Also, if someone already wears glasses, why not have glasses that can do more?
- shimman 2mo ago
  You don't need a phone either and sorry but the idea of someone using a device to learn things about me that I did not share with them is frankly disgusting and dehumanizing. You can simply talk to people, we don't have to enable your perversions because you refuse to interact with humans.
  - jayd16 2mo ago
    You mean like if they google you?
    - shimman 2mo ago
      You google random people you see on the street? That is creepy. I don't think this is something that should be automated, like what the topic of this submissions is about: pervert glasses.
yoyohello13 2mo ago
I wouldn't wear them when I'm walking in the woods or hanging out at home. Having 'incoming car warning', or waypoint nav when I'm biking/running? That would be great!
- flufluflufluffy 2mo ago
  I personally prefer good old situational awareness
  - fortyseven 2mo ago
    As long as it's achieved in the manner that you approve of, of course.
- foco_tubi 2mo ago
  Garmin has offered this for years. As a plus, the Varia taillight has a radar, so you don’t have to wear your pervert glasses on the back of your helmet to alert for incoming cars.
  - JKCalhoun 2mo ago
    Yeah, what I was thinking—you don't need something strapped on your face to do these things.
jexe 2mo ago
As a parent of a new kid, being present is exactly why I wanted a pair - I didn't want to spend time looking at them through a screen, but still wanted to keepsake some precious early moments. (didn't work out that way in practice, but that was the idea)
- kstrauser 2mo ago
  As a parent of older kids: I never remember the context of the old photos. "Yep, there's my kid laying on the rug." I do, however, remember them letting go of the coffee table and wobbling their way toward me for the first time. Mindfulness >>> recordings, any day of the week. Be there with your kid and don't worry about capturing every precious moment. You're never going to have enough time to curate them anyway. Even if you did, the time spent curating is time you could've just been hanging out with your kid instead.
kivle 2mo ago
I walk with crutches. When navigating an unknown city this would be bliss. Instead of having to stop, put my crutches to the side, pull out phone or check my watch to check directions, I'd just always have them there. Same for notifications too. I guess it would be the same for any other person. Sometimes you just don't have your hands free. There is no way in hell I'd buy them from Meta though.

jayd16 2mo ago

Because its cool. I mean, the real answer is that we have the technology to be tech wizards. You could conjure spatially anchored widgets and screens and gauges. You could put a cooking show screen above the stove, where a physical screen wouldn't work. You could put a synced calendar on the wall. Notes app on the fridge, weather reminders by the door. ...a million mundane conveniences in the house alone. But still, its too heavy and to do the spatial anchoring you need a device with a constant camera feed and the only folks who make that at the moment have questionable morals.

eldaisfish 2mo ago
but then you are not present, you are distracted by a computer. Just because that computer does not have a clunky monitor, doesn't mean that you aren't any less distracted. Some of the attitudes on this website, especially ones like yours, are the literal reason we are in this mess today. Please, please, if you have the power, push back on this nonsense from the inside. We need more people talking to other people like real humans, not like notes in a digital diary.
- jayd16 2mo ago
  Nothing I described replaces or impacts talking to a human. If someone is going to distract themselves in XR, they can already do it more efficiently on a handset. The only change would be your posture and eye strain could possibly improve.
  - eldaisfish 2mo ago
    Why then are you trying to justify invasive hidden cameras in more places? Really, why not just use the existing solutions? This push for « convenience » is how we ended up with microphones in people’s most private spaces. I urge you to consider whether humanity really needs more technological solutions to social problems.
    - deleted 2mo ago
      [deleted]
- fortyseven 2mo ago
  Who are you to dictate what somebody enjoys? Don't worry about it. Do you.
- subscribed 2mo ago
  Why is that a problem for you? It's XR, for them it's a notes app in the convenient place, for me it might be a next meeting reminder on the wall next to my work screen, so I can work less distracted and more focused. Why is their way of enriching their connected life a problem? I think some of the worst attitudes on this website is projecting own worst case scenarios and implying bad intentions to the most innocuous or honest signals. That's the problem much bigger than someone's glasses - you support polarisation and teaming (us vs them) instead of seeking connection or understanding.
mrguyorama 2mo ago
People always say this like having an actual board of notes on the fridge hasn't been trivially possible for a century. It's like people obsessing over window managers. 99% of the time, the amount of windows you have showing is not the problem, you can't really focus on more than one at a time anyway. Consider as a demonstrative example, race car drivers. They have had options to have extremely detailed Heads Up Displays with all sorts of absurd data available at a glance for decades. But they largely do not use tons of data like that, because it's just not compatible with the human brain. They already are looking at things more often and processing more info than a "normal" person while racing, but that heads up display would not benefit them. Similarly, the Heads Up Display for modern fighter jets is very lightweight, focusing on allowing you to see around it and provide you the very basics of flight instrumentation and a standard orientation instrument. People just have wild ideas about how to "optimize" their lives that are just not supported by reality. You would be better off making flash cards about those things you want to "know" in that moment and drilling them. I too used to be drawn to this idea. Back in 2016ish, I got an ODBII dongle for my car and app for my phone and was so excited about all the data I was going to have at a glance, just like some sort of pro! But the data was pointless and meaningless. Oh, timing advance is at 20 degrees in this throttle regime. Cool I guess. Eventually I gave up and only have my car showing instantaneous fuel efficiency, which is the only valuable data point for my needs.
- senordevnyc 2mo ago
  The information density on a fighter jet HUD has nothing to do with hanging a calendar on your wall.
- jyounker 2mo ago
  > Consider as a demonstrative example, race car drivers. They have had options to have extremely detailed Heads Up Displays with all sorts of absurd data available at a glance for decades. It's kind of a bad example, because there are other reasons that we don't have HUDsin cars. A friend of mine designed car interiors. His explanation went like this: With a HUD, you have to pick a focus point. In an airplane, when you look forward, your eyes are always focused at infinity, so the HUD is focused there. It has the same focus point as your eyes. In a car everything is slower and closer, so you have to constantly change your focus. The HUD though has a single focus point though, and drivers' eyes tend to lock onto the HUD's focus. This focus lock interferes with normal scanning, and drivers stop seeing important things. They don't notice important things, so they get into accidents. According to him, HUDs in cars lead to much higher accident rates.
watwut 2mo ago
> You could put a cooking show screen above the stove, where a physical screen wouldn't work. You could put a synced calendar on the wall. Notes app on the fridge, weather reminders by the door. ...a million mundane conveniences in the house alone. Honestly, they sound all useless. Like, junk gandgets you get because someone needed to give you a christmas gift, then you use them for like 2 weeks as toys and then they end up forgotten collecting dust junk. The reason people dont have those is because they dont have real actual utility.
- jayd16 2mo ago
  Sure, a lot of these are super niche. But each one of these costs nothing. Gadgets become software. Its the final gadget.
asdff 2mo ago
All things you can already do with the phone you already own. Only it isn't mounted on the wall I guess. But is that really such a showstopper that demands this technology? You could also get a dummy screen that displays this info. Reminds me of ipad and to a lesser extent, apple watch. It came out with a ton of hype, tons of people got one, only to never really use it because hey, it only does the exact same stuff as the phone you carry around with you all the time anyhow.
- jayd16 2mo ago
  For the most part, a phone gets you most of the way there. They're currently the apex predators of the mobile space. I think the one thing that a headset does bring to the table is the hands free nature of it. There are quite a few AR apps and use cases that phones can currently do that fall short because you need to hold your phone out and that's really invasive and fatiguing. In theory you could have things like a walk through of a DIY engine repair that adds virtual pointers and highlights to important things. You could do this in a video where you go to your phone, watch a step, rewind, put the phone down, find where in the real world the thing is, do the thing, wipe your hands, pick up the phone, repeat etc. but I imagine it would be nicer in AR. I'm not saying spend a trillion dollars on this, just that it would be a neat thing.
  - asdff 2mo ago
    If they ever gave a shit about voice controls we could have had that 20 years ago with a desktop monitor in the garage. But sadly phones still screw up 50 and 15 with voice controls today. Scrubbing through video would be pretty frustrating on voice control.
    - jayd16 2mo ago
      The Vision Pro, for example, has enough fidelity that you can do that sort of thing with a hand gesture fairly easily.

bigblind 2mo ago

I think you can be present in the moment, but still find value in a tool like this. I may not be "the norm" because I'm legally blind, but in some sense, a tool like this could make me even more present. I currently use my phone a lot to zoom in on signs to read them. I'd love it if I wouldn't have to hold a phone in front of my face, just to know whether the place I'm standing in front of is, in fact, Jimmy's Barbershop, or whatever place I'm trying to navigate to for the first time.

foco_tubi 2mo ago
I do think accessibility is a great market for innovation like this, but it doesn’t mean it’s appropriate for general populations. Take electric mobility devices, for example. Electric wheelchairs are great for people who are paralyzed, but e-scooters have become a scourge for some urban residents as their users park them on sidewalks, block curb cuts, and generally get in the way of pedestrians.
- 8note 2mo ago
  it of course, also sucks to be using an electric wheelchair, with many streets having utter junk for sidewalks and other accessibility. the new scooters and such will actually fix that as infrastructure gets rebuilt to better support them. the end of having e-scooters will be that things are a little better for wheelchairs, even if there's a temporary rougher spot
asdff 2mo ago
If you used a set of binoculars people would guess you are bird watching

gopalv 2mo ago

> notice the real world without the idea of augmenting it. The core problem of solitude is curiosity and sonder. When I smell fennel on a hike, I want to know what it is - yeah, this is dog fennel. When I see a strange symbol on a taxi car, I want to know why it is 3 arrows on bow and what that is. Seeing a strange dog and wondering what kind of dog that is (a whippet?). A glimpse of a black bird with red shoulder patches. Hearing someone's ringtone (not these days anymore) and wonder why it is familiar ("ah, it is spelled fa9la, who'd have guessed"). There is a twinge of "This is why we can't have nice things" about the whole article for someone who can't get enough of the world you can see through your eyes.

ear7h 2mo ago
Curiousity is characterized by the pursuit for the answer, not the ability or speed to find the answer. You can still be curious without a google search bar, and I often find those pursuits are (1) much more rewarding and (2) stick around enough to become knowledge.
vitorfblima 2mo ago
I'd say, if anything, this would make me less curious. The less you know, the better.
- joemi 2mo ago
  The "ignorance is bliss" approach doesn't work for everyone.

sodapopcan 2mo ago

I'm with you, here. People just think very differently, though. For example, I really enjoy sci-fi, but I've always viewed as a neat fantasy. Sometimes I think "It would be cool if this were real," but mostly I lean toward, "I'm so glad none of this is actually real." Different stokes, though.

joemi 2mo ago

I'm not the person that you're replying to, but: It can be less intrusive than using a phone, I believe. That makes it a step closer to being present. (I don't know specifics, but I'm assuming that the display can be turned off when not in use.) Also, if someone already wears glasses, why not have glasses that can do more?

shimman 2mo ago
You don't need a phone either and sorry but the idea of someone using a device to learn things about me that I did not share with them is frankly disgusting and dehumanizing. You can simply talk to people, we don't have to enable your perversions because you refuse to interact with humans.
- jayd16 2mo ago
  You mean like if they google you?
  - shimman 2mo ago
    You google random people you see on the street? That is creepy. I don't think this is something that should be automated, like what the topic of this submissions is about: pervert glasses.

yoyohello13 2mo ago

I wouldn't wear them when I'm walking in the woods or hanging out at home. Having 'incoming car warning', or waypoint nav when I'm biking/running? That would be great!

flufluflufluffy 2mo ago
I personally prefer good old situational awareness
- fortyseven 2mo ago
  As long as it's achieved in the manner that you approve of, of course.
foco_tubi 2mo ago
Garmin has offered this for years. As a plus, the Varia taillight has a radar, so you don’t have to wear your pervert glasses on the back of your helmet to alert for incoming cars.
- JKCalhoun 2mo ago
  Yeah, what I was thinking—you don't need something strapped on your face to do these things.

jexe 2mo ago

As a parent of a new kid, being present is exactly why I wanted a pair - I didn't want to spend time looking at them through a screen, but still wanted to keepsake some precious early moments. (didn't work out that way in practice, but that was the idea)

kstrauser 2mo ago
As a parent of older kids: I never remember the context of the old photos. "Yep, there's my kid laying on the rug." I do, however, remember them letting go of the coffee table and wobbling their way toward me for the first time. Mindfulness >>> recordings, any day of the week. Be there with your kid and don't worry about capturing every precious moment. You're never going to have enough time to curate them anyway. Even if you did, the time spent curating is time you could've just been hanging out with your kid instead.

kivle 2mo ago

I walk with crutches. When navigating an unknown city this would be bliss. Instead of having to stop, put my crutches to the side, pull out phone or check my watch to check directions, I'd just always have them there. Same for notifications too. I guess it would be the same for any other person. Sometimes you just don't have your hands free. There is no way in hell I'd buy them from Meta though.