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I was trying to brainstorm ways to make these palatable to general society. Because I think this kind of thing is going to happen, but a lot of people (myself i

by aqme28 2mo ago

I was trying to brainstorm ways to make these palatable to general society. Because I think this kind of thing is going to happen, but a lot of people (myself included) have a legitimate problem with surreptitious recordings. It needs a "recording" light when it is recording. But creeps will just disable the recording light with e.g. a sticker. Idea: What if the recording light embeds a little IR signal, and if the camera recording doesn't pick up that signal, it stops working Edit: I see they tried that already.

tiznow 2mo ago
People already disable the recording light and the problem is so pervasive Amazon has "banned" the blocking stickers.
hgoel 2mo ago
I think the only way will be the tech getting too useful for the complaints to matter. Currently it's only marginally useful. Otherwise this irrational reaction will continue. Would help for the tech to come from companies with less awful reputations. Alternatively, maybe the solution will be some sort of device signature embedded into the video data at the hardware level so that videos are traceable to the person that recorded them. To me the main annoyance is that XR glasses partially rely on cameras to enable things like 6DOF tracking and hand tracking. Having that use conflated with people trying to secretly record others is pretty annoying.
- aqme28 2mo ago
  To be clear, I don’t think this reaction is irrational at all. I’m curious though why you do.
  - hgoel 2mo ago
    This kind of discrete recording capability already is so widespread and accessible. Amazon is full of these kinds of devices, tiny "AI" audio recorders, pens with hidden cameras etc. They don't even require much technical competency. People also walk around with their phones out so often. There's no way for you to know that they aren't recording. E.g. someone could easily be pretending to use their phone when climbing stairs while actually taking upskirt shots with the front camera. Social media is also already full of people shamelessly recording others in situations where they would not want to be recorded. Actual perverts have little reason to use these glasses specifically, and as mentioned in my previous post, the cameras have utility other than recording others.
    - alickz 2mo ago
      Yeah that was my reaction too If you're a pervert, you wouldn't want the victim to know you're recording them If you don't want someone to know you're recording them, you wouldn't wear the famous Recording Glasses But I don't know, maybe I'm overestimating the average pervert
    - aqme28 2mo ago
      I think it’s rational to say “I don’t want this bad thing that exists to be more ubiquitous.”
Cider9986 2mo ago
It already stops working if you block the light.
Tempest1981 2mo ago
I think they tried that, and people hacked around it: https://www.engadget.com/2227710/a-dollar2-sticker-let-me-bypass-the-meta-glasses-anti-creep-feature/ https://www.engadget.com/2227710/a-dollar2-sticker-let-me-by...
- Ajedi32 2mo ago
  If you want to secretly record someone in public, aren't there already plenty of much subtler ways? Pinhole camera in your shirt pocket, normal glasses with a hidden camera, camera integrated into a hat, etc? "Disable the recording light in your smart glasses" would just be one more entry in that list.
  - joseda-hg 2mo ago
    Subtler yes, but you can't point them or get good feedback for interactions, except I guess the hat
dylan604 2mo ago
Create your own set of glasses with powerful IR LEDs. Then just stare at the glasshole.
joseda-hg 2mo ago
Then you can filter only the visible part of the signal, plus if they become common you risk interference, contamination or long term exposure (Your face regularly points to other people faces/eyes)
Ekaros 2mo ago
It is something that must be treated as crime. And punished actually harshly say 1 year mandatory minimum for first offence, 5 for second and then life in prison for third strike. No parole.
- aqme28 2mo ago
  Life in prison is a bit harsh but I otherwise agree.
deltoidmaximus 2mo ago
The smartphone camera supply chain already made possible easy purchase of miniature spy camera devices of various types, they're all on Amazon. Sometimes they're pretending to be nanny cams or something but others are hidden body cameras or glasses. So pervert glasses already existed and were pretty cheap. The downside with the Meta glasses really is this gives "cover" for wearing these kinds of things. If you caught some one with a pocket button camera or the cheap pervert glasses before, well you knew what they were up too. Now they can hide behind being a tech enthusiast or a trend follower or even some kind of fashion thing and wear them right out in the open, allowing nefarious use to be hidden in plain sight.
- Octoth0rpe 2mo ago
  > Now they can hide behind being a tech enthusiast or a trend follower or even some kind of fashion thing and wear them right out in the open, allowing nefarious use to be hidden in plain sight. They can try to 'hide' behind that, but if I see you wearing them, I 100% am assuming the worst case intent. I suspect I am not the only one.

by aqme28 2mo ago

tiznow 2mo ago

People already disable the recording light and the problem is so pervasive Amazon has "banned" the blocking stickers.

hgoel 2mo ago

I think the only way will be the tech getting too useful for the complaints to matter. Currently it's only marginally useful. Otherwise this irrational reaction will continue. Would help for the tech to come from companies with less awful reputations. Alternatively, maybe the solution will be some sort of device signature embedded into the video data at the hardware level so that videos are traceable to the person that recorded them. To me the main annoyance is that XR glasses partially rely on cameras to enable things like 6DOF tracking and hand tracking. Having that use conflated with people trying to secretly record others is pretty annoying.

aqme28 2mo ago
To be clear, I don’t think this reaction is irrational at all. I’m curious though why you do.
- hgoel 2mo ago
  This kind of discrete recording capability already is so widespread and accessible. Amazon is full of these kinds of devices, tiny "AI" audio recorders, pens with hidden cameras etc. They don't even require much technical competency. People also walk around with their phones out so often. There's no way for you to know that they aren't recording. E.g. someone could easily be pretending to use their phone when climbing stairs while actually taking upskirt shots with the front camera. Social media is also already full of people shamelessly recording others in situations where they would not want to be recorded. Actual perverts have little reason to use these glasses specifically, and as mentioned in my previous post, the cameras have utility other than recording others.
  - alickz 2mo ago
    Yeah that was my reaction too If you're a pervert, you wouldn't want the victim to know you're recording them If you don't want someone to know you're recording them, you wouldn't wear the famous Recording Glasses But I don't know, maybe I'm overestimating the average pervert
  - aqme28 2mo ago
    I think it’s rational to say “I don’t want this bad thing that exists to be more ubiquitous.”

Cider9986 2mo ago

It already stops working if you block the light.

Tempest1981 2mo ago

I think they tried that, and people hacked around it: https://www.engadget.com/2227710/a-dollar2-sticker-let-me-bypass-the-meta-glasses-anti-creep-feature/ https://www.engadget.com/2227710/a-dollar2-sticker-let-me-by...

Ajedi32 2mo ago
If you want to secretly record someone in public, aren't there already plenty of much subtler ways? Pinhole camera in your shirt pocket, normal glasses with a hidden camera, camera integrated into a hat, etc? "Disable the recording light in your smart glasses" would just be one more entry in that list.
- joseda-hg 2mo ago
  Subtler yes, but you can't point them or get good feedback for interactions, except I guess the hat

dylan604 2mo ago

Create your own set of glasses with powerful IR LEDs. Then just stare at the glasshole.

joseda-hg 2mo ago

Then you can filter only the visible part of the signal, plus if they become common you risk interference, contamination or long term exposure (Your face regularly points to other people faces/eyes)

Ekaros 2mo ago

It is something that must be treated as crime. And punished actually harshly say 1 year mandatory minimum for first offence, 5 for second and then life in prison for third strike. No parole.

aqme28 2mo ago
Life in prison is a bit harsh but I otherwise agree.

deltoidmaximus 2mo ago

The smartphone camera supply chain already made possible easy purchase of miniature spy camera devices of various types, they're all on Amazon. Sometimes they're pretending to be nanny cams or something but others are hidden body cameras or glasses. So pervert glasses already existed and were pretty cheap. The downside with the Meta glasses really is this gives "cover" for wearing these kinds of things. If you caught some one with a pocket button camera or the cheap pervert glasses before, well you knew what they were up too. Now they can hide behind being a tech enthusiast or a trend follower or even some kind of fashion thing and wear them right out in the open, allowing nefarious use to be hidden in plain sight.

Octoth0rpe 2mo ago
> Now they can hide behind being a tech enthusiast or a trend follower or even some kind of fashion thing and wear them right out in the open, allowing nefarious use to be hidden in plain sight. They can try to 'hide' behind that, but if I see you wearing them, I 100% am assuming the worst case intent. I suspect I am not the only one.