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Propaganda for "Scrap your old car now and buy new—now with AI driver spying features as mandated by Congress, and personal data sales to insurance companies!"

by bitwize 2mo ago

trollbridge 2mo ago
The "get rid of a working car" is particularly suspect, and reminds me of the "cash for clunkers" scheme which was basically a giant sop to the auto industry. Why not just have EVs replace ICE vehicles when they break down and aren't worth repairing?
- toomuchtodo 2mo ago
  The TLDR is “Replace your combustion vehicle with an EV if you’re a high mileage driver; a low mileage driver can then buy the combustion vehicle for low mileage use.” An EV sold to someone who drives 1k miles a year is somewhat inefficient at this point of the adoption curve, versus someone who drives 5k-15k miles a year. You want to maximize EV miles traveled to minimize CO2 emissions. 25% of total annual global vehicle sales are already EVs. We’re just arguing timeline to get to 100%. Peak combustion vehicle sales was 2017. https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/aug/09/chinese-electric-car-sales-surge-to-a-record-high-in-europe https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/aug/09/chinese-ele... https://www.evinfrastructurenews.com/ev-technology/evs-take-49-16-of-australia-s-new-car-market-in-record-breaking-june-quarter https://www.evinfrastructurenews.com/ev-technology/evs-take-...
  - cucumber3732842 2mo ago
    Dude, everything you post is borderline propaganda. There's probably a few people who'll keep their 2017 Mazda an little longer because of who the message is coming from. >Peak combustion vehicle sales was 2017. Peak oil was every year starting decades before I was born.
    - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
      If you don’t like data and facts, I’m not for you. If you believe it’s propaganda, that’s firmly a you problem. My condolences. The data and facts stand regardless of your belief in them, like gravity. Comment as long as mods let you, doesn’t bother me in the sleightest. With all due respect, your thoughts and belief system are irrelevant to me. They are not data and facts, nor peer reviewed. Facts: Climate change is real. Combustion vehicles contribute to climate change through their emissions. EV sales keep going up globally, combustion vehicle sales keep going down. This will continue. Comments here change nothing about these systems or trajectories, nor their rate of change.
      - cucumber3732842 2mo ago
        Being partially (direction of trend vs magnitude) right doesn't make you not a flagrant propagandist. This sort of cherry picking links to support any position, no matter how obviously asinine (though this one doesn't really move the needle), has been your MO a loooooong time. It's a classic rhetorical trick of trolls. Gets people distracted arguing about sources (Louis Rossman has a good quote about this). Thankfully AI renders it fairly obsolete. I'd be happy to come up with some competing facts if you'd like. Then I can look down my nose and say vaguely insulting things too.
      - coderenegade 2mo ago
        Fossil fuels contribute to climate change. Methanol is likely to power global shipping in the coming decades, and there's zero reason it can't also run cars. The reality is that hybrid vehicles have all of the same advantages that BEVs have, but they can also be refueled quickly without heavy reliance on centralized infrastructure. Aside from being the reason that we're all driving ICEVs in the first place, it's a compelling enough advantage that such vehicles will continue to be with us for a long time.
        toomuchtodo 2mo ago
        If you would like bet how many methanol vs battery electric cars will be on the road in 2030, 2035, and 2040, I am happy to take the battery electric side of a Long Bet [1], with $10k to the winner's choice of 501c3 charity. Let me know. If battery electric vehicles are already 1/4th of global annual light vehicle sales, and there is ~20M-30M of battery electric vehicle manufacturing capacity globally, with no methanol vehicles on the road today, what does the future look like? BYD intends to be the largest automaker in the world in five years, and makes EVs exclusively [2]. They have already surpassed Ford in international vehicle sales. Their flash charge charging system can charge the vehicle's battery from a 10% to 70% state of charge in five minutes, and from 10% to 97% in nine minutes. Fossil fuels for light vehicle use cases are dead, and the state of the art for EVs and charging will only continue to improve. > Aside from being the reason that we're all driving ICEVs in the first place, it's a compelling enough advantage that such vehicles will continue to be with us for a long time. Take a look how many refineries are left in the world. No new ones will be built, and the existing ones will only get enough investment to keep them operating. How quickly they are taken offline is how fast ICE vehicles are phased out, because you're not running your ICE vehicles without refined petroleum products [3] [4]. They are the weak link in the chain. [1] https://longbets.org/ https://longbets.org/ [2] https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/byd-wants-become-world-largest-130303110.html https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/byd-wa... [3] https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/global-refinery-closure-outlook-2035/ https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/global-refinery-closure... [4] https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/One-in-Five-Refineries-Faces-Shutdown-Despite-Rising-Fuel-Demand.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/One-in-Five-Refin... > WoodMackenzie: A total of 101 out of 410 refineries around the world are at risk of getting shut down over the next decade. This number represented 21% of global refining capacity. Inflated operating costs of refineries are an especially important risk factor for future profitability as well as their investments in decarbonization.
- dieortin 2mo ago
  > Why not just have EVs replace ICE vehicles when they break down and aren't worth repairing? That’s exactly what the article you’re commenting on tries to answer. I recommend you read it
userbinator 2mo ago
Exactly. My daily driver turns 54 this year. Never cared much about the climate scam, never will.

Propaganda for "Scrap your old car now and buy new—now with AI driver spying features as mandated by Congress, and personal data sales to insurance companies!"

by bitwize 2mo ago

Propaganda for "Scrap your old car now and buy new—now with AI driver spying features as mandated by Congress, and personal data sales to insurance companies!"

trollbridge 2mo ago

The "get rid of a working car" is particularly suspect, and reminds me of the "cash for clunkers" scheme which was basically a giant sop to the auto industry. Why not just have EVs replace ICE vehicles when they break down and aren't worth repairing?

toomuchtodo 2mo ago
The TLDR is “Replace your combustion vehicle with an EV if you’re a high mileage driver; a low mileage driver can then buy the combustion vehicle for low mileage use.” An EV sold to someone who drives 1k miles a year is somewhat inefficient at this point of the adoption curve, versus someone who drives 5k-15k miles a year. You want to maximize EV miles traveled to minimize CO2 emissions. 25% of total annual global vehicle sales are already EVs. We’re just arguing timeline to get to 100%. Peak combustion vehicle sales was 2017. https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/aug/09/chinese-electric-car-sales-surge-to-a-record-high-in-europe https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/aug/09/chinese-ele... https://www.evinfrastructurenews.com/ev-technology/evs-take-49-16-of-australia-s-new-car-market-in-record-breaking-june-quarter https://www.evinfrastructurenews.com/ev-technology/evs-take-...
- cucumber3732842 2mo ago
  Dude, everything you post is borderline propaganda. There's probably a few people who'll keep their 2017 Mazda an little longer because of who the message is coming from. >Peak combustion vehicle sales was 2017. Peak oil was every year starting decades before I was born.
  - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
    If you don’t like data and facts, I’m not for you. If you believe it’s propaganda, that’s firmly a you problem. My condolences. The data and facts stand regardless of your belief in them, like gravity. Comment as long as mods let you, doesn’t bother me in the sleightest. With all due respect, your thoughts and belief system are irrelevant to me. They are not data and facts, nor peer reviewed. Facts: Climate change is real. Combustion vehicles contribute to climate change through their emissions. EV sales keep going up globally, combustion vehicle sales keep going down. This will continue. Comments here change nothing about these systems or trajectories, nor their rate of change.
    - cucumber3732842 2mo ago
      Being partially (direction of trend vs magnitude) right doesn't make you not a flagrant propagandist. This sort of cherry picking links to support any position, no matter how obviously asinine (though this one doesn't really move the needle), has been your MO a loooooong time. It's a classic rhetorical trick of trolls. Gets people distracted arguing about sources (Louis Rossman has a good quote about this). Thankfully AI renders it fairly obsolete. I'd be happy to come up with some competing facts if you'd like. Then I can look down my nose and say vaguely insulting things too.
    - coderenegade 2mo ago
      Fossil fuels contribute to climate change. Methanol is likely to power global shipping in the coming decades, and there's zero reason it can't also run cars. The reality is that hybrid vehicles have all of the same advantages that BEVs have, but they can also be refueled quickly without heavy reliance on centralized infrastructure. Aside from being the reason that we're all driving ICEVs in the first place, it's a compelling enough advantage that such vehicles will continue to be with us for a long time.
      - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
        If you would like bet how many methanol vs battery electric cars will be on the road in 2030, 2035, and 2040, I am happy to take the battery electric side of a Long Bet [1], with $10k to the winner's choice of 501c3 charity. Let me know. If battery electric vehicles are already 1/4th of global annual light vehicle sales, and there is ~20M-30M of battery electric vehicle manufacturing capacity globally, with no methanol vehicles on the road today, what does the future look like? BYD intends to be the largest automaker in the world in five years, and makes EVs exclusively [2]. They have already surpassed Ford in international vehicle sales. Their flash charge charging system can charge the vehicle's battery from a 10% to 70% state of charge in five minutes, and from 10% to 97% in nine minutes. Fossil fuels for light vehicle use cases are dead, and the state of the art for EVs and charging will only continue to improve. > Aside from being the reason that we're all driving ICEVs in the first place, it's a compelling enough advantage that such vehicles will continue to be with us for a long time. Take a look how many refineries are left in the world. No new ones will be built, and the existing ones will only get enough investment to keep them operating. How quickly they are taken offline is how fast ICE vehicles are phased out, because you're not running your ICE vehicles without refined petroleum products [3] [4]. They are the weak link in the chain. [1] https://longbets.org/ https://longbets.org/ [2] https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/byd-wants-become-world-largest-130303110.html https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/byd-wa... [3] https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/global-refinery-closure-outlook-2035/ https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/global-refinery-closure... [4] https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/One-in-Five-Refineries-Faces-Shutdown-Despite-Rising-Fuel-Demand.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/One-in-Five-Refin... > WoodMackenzie: A total of 101 out of 410 refineries around the world are at risk of getting shut down over the next decade. This number represented 21% of global refining capacity. Inflated operating costs of refineries are an especially important risk factor for future profitability as well as their investments in decarbonization.
dieortin 2mo ago
> Why not just have EVs replace ICE vehicles when they break down and aren't worth repairing? That’s exactly what the article you’re commenting on tries to answer. I recommend you read it

userbinator 2mo ago

Exactly. My daily driver turns 54 this year. Never cared much about the climate scam, never will.