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The study accounts for that. Delay your aging by using your brain a fuck ton, all the time, learning brand new things nowhere near anything you already know.

by harrall 2mo ago

hotstickyballs 2mo ago
Collecting a bunch of covariates is never a substitute for recognizing that you can't force people to be taxi drivers for life.
- eru 2mo ago
  However, you might be able to find a natural experiment were taxi drivers were randomly prevented from continuing with their driving career?
kfarr 2mo ago
Learning new languages (and actually using them) is a great way to do this for all ages!
- lelanthran 2mo ago
  I'm bilingual. Learning new languages is pointless if you have no one to talk to in the new language. Language skills atrophy surprisingly fast.
  - kfarr 2mo ago
    I agree, one must actually use a language for it to contribute to brain plasticity in later ages.
  - bluGill 2mo ago
    The claim was learning is important. Not the ability to communicate with it. There are more than 7000 known languages in the world, study a different one every week... I have no idea what the truth is here...
    - nz 2mo ago
      Back in college (around 15 years ago), I read a few books on eminence by Dean Kieth Simonton. One thing that I remember, and that has always been in the back of my mind, is that certain studies found that (in the USA), children who grow up in bilingual and bicultural households tend to have a much greater chance of achieving some measure of eminence in their adult lives. I am not sure if this is true globally (nor if it is still true in the USA). But I suspect that there is a reason[0] why so many eminent people came from Austria-Hungary for _generations_ (even the generations after the collapse of that particular empire). [0]: There were 10 distinct languages, making up 98% of all languages in the empire. My understanding is that most citizens had to learn German, even though only 20% of the population spoke German as a mother tongue. Also a few different language branches (Germanic, Ugric, Slavic, Romance), with one of those branches (Ugric) not being Indo-European at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_and_religious_composition_of_Austria-Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_and_religious_compositi...
pibaker 2mo ago
Alzheimer's is an entirely different beast than normal mental atrophy and there are plenty of stories of otherwise intelligent people ending up with it. I'm not saying you shouldn't try using your brain more but this is just like saying Stephen Hawking should have tried exercising more.
- Tadpole9181 2mo ago
  Would this not be closer to saying Arnold Schwarzenegger should have tried exercising more?
  - anon48293 2mo ago
    Both Stephen Hawking and Arnold Schwarzenegger would have benefitted from exercising more, if controlled for age /s
- harrall 2mo ago
  The article doesn’t say taxi drivers are immune to Alzheimer’s. It specifically talks about having more cognitive reserve, which means having “more brain” to atrophy. Essentially Alzheimer’s makes their hyper-developed hippocampus become that of an average’s person because they started off higher up. Being intelligent doesn’t mean you still learn new things as you age. Using your brain doesn’t do anything, it’s using your brain in novel ways. That companion is also bunk. Two entirely different diseases.
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asdfasgasdgasdg 2mo ago
Could just be that whatever factor causes certain cabbies to live much longer than their cohort is also protective from Alzheimer’s. I guess they might have accounted for that too — I’ll have to look at the study.
- jollyllama 2mo ago
  Or, that if you can survive the thing that kills the rest of their cohort, it has beneficial tradeoffs. As in, perhaps smoking protects from Alzheimer's, if it doesn't kill you first.
  - cma 2mo ago
    Controlling for age in a profession with a high fatality rate like this seems like controlling for high alertness, consciousness, quick reaction times, and well restedness/low stress, low recreational drug and alcohol use. Of those, sleep issues are highly correlated with Alzheimer's and also with auto accidents. Controlling for age alone here would select for low incidence of sleep issues.
    - cma 2mo ago
      *meant to say conscientiousness (keeping brakes, tires maintained), not consciousness

The study accounts for that. Delay your aging by using your brain a fuck ton, all the time, learning brand new things nowhere near anything you already know.

by harrall 2mo ago

The study accounts for that. Delay your aging by using your brain a fuck ton, all the time, learning brand new things nowhere near anything you already know.

hotstickyballs 2mo ago

Collecting a bunch of covariates is never a substitute for recognizing that you can't force people to be taxi drivers for life.

eru 2mo ago
However, you might be able to find a natural experiment were taxi drivers were randomly prevented from continuing with their driving career?

kfarr 2mo ago

Learning new languages (and actually using them) is a great way to do this for all ages!

lelanthran 2mo ago
I'm bilingual. Learning new languages is pointless if you have no one to talk to in the new language. Language skills atrophy surprisingly fast.
- kfarr 2mo ago
  I agree, one must actually use a language for it to contribute to brain plasticity in later ages.
- bluGill 2mo ago
  The claim was learning is important. Not the ability to communicate with it. There are more than 7000 known languages in the world, study a different one every week... I have no idea what the truth is here...
  - nz 2mo ago
    Back in college (around 15 years ago), I read a few books on eminence by Dean Kieth Simonton. One thing that I remember, and that has always been in the back of my mind, is that certain studies found that (in the USA), children who grow up in bilingual and bicultural households tend to have a much greater chance of achieving some measure of eminence in their adult lives. I am not sure if this is true globally (nor if it is still true in the USA). But I suspect that there is a reason[0] why so many eminent people came from Austria-Hungary for _generations_ (even the generations after the collapse of that particular empire). [0]: There were 10 distinct languages, making up 98% of all languages in the empire. My understanding is that most citizens had to learn German, even though only 20% of the population spoke German as a mother tongue. Also a few different language branches (Germanic, Ugric, Slavic, Romance), with one of those branches (Ugric) not being Indo-European at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_and_religious_composition_of_Austria-Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_and_religious_compositi...

pibaker 2mo ago

Alzheimer's is an entirely different beast than normal mental atrophy and there are plenty of stories of otherwise intelligent people ending up with it. I'm not saying you shouldn't try using your brain more but this is just like saying Stephen Hawking should have tried exercising more.

Tadpole9181 2mo ago
Would this not be closer to saying Arnold Schwarzenegger should have tried exercising more?
- anon48293 2mo ago
  Both Stephen Hawking and Arnold Schwarzenegger would have benefitted from exercising more, if controlled for age /s
harrall 2mo ago
The article doesn’t say taxi drivers are immune to Alzheimer’s. It specifically talks about having more cognitive reserve, which means having “more brain” to atrophy. Essentially Alzheimer’s makes their hyper-developed hippocampus become that of an average’s person because they started off higher up. Being intelligent doesn’t mean you still learn new things as you age. Using your brain doesn’t do anything, it’s using your brain in novel ways. That companion is also bunk. Two entirely different diseases.

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asdfasgasdgasdg 2mo ago

Could just be that whatever factor causes certain cabbies to live much longer than their cohort is also protective from Alzheimer’s. I guess they might have accounted for that too — I’ll have to look at the study.

jollyllama 2mo ago
Or, that if you can survive the thing that kills the rest of their cohort, it has beneficial tradeoffs. As in, perhaps smoking protects from Alzheimer's, if it doesn't kill you first.
- cma 2mo ago
  Controlling for age in a profession with a high fatality rate like this seems like controlling for high alertness, consciousness, quick reaction times, and well restedness/low stress, low recreational drug and alcohol use. Of those, sleep issues are highly correlated with Alzheimer's and also with auto accidents. Controlling for age alone here would select for low incidence of sleep issues.
  - cma 2mo ago
    *meant to say conscientiousness (keeping brakes, tires maintained), not consciousness