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> I don't think people want this There was a comment made here a month or two ago, about someone from a SE Asia country (I forget which; maybe Bangladesh?) tal

> I don't think people want this There was a comment made here a month or two ago, about someone from a SE Asia country (I forget which; maybe Bangladesh?) talking about how their government installed AI traffic enforcement cameras all over, and they went from one of the deadliest, most chaotic road systems in the world to Singapore-level rule-following in the space of just a couple months. As a result, the cameras have become quite popular because there's less traffic, travelling is easier and more predictable, and road deaths have plummeted. I imagine there are a number of similar situations in every country, where the deployment of AI surveillance has a sufficiently measurably positive impact that it becomes popular.

zahlman 2mo ago
> their government installed AI traffic enforcement cameras all over What does the AI actually do? Identify specific cars and their drivers, or something? What actual enforcement actions were taken as a result, and against how many drivers before it stopped? One might wonder how much of the effect was placebo (i.e., people conforming simply due to the belief of being surveilled).
- margalabargala 2mo ago
  > What does the AI actually do? Identify specific cars and their drivers, or something? Yes, exactly. It identifies cars and drivers who are committing traffic violations, and issues citations. I don't have the specific numbers you ask for, seeing as I can't even remember the country, but it's not difficult to imagine that if sufficiently many such cameras are installed that most moving violations on major roadways are caught and punished, then yes, people will come to (reasonably) believe that the cost of committing the violation is close to the price of the fine, rather than close to zero. It's one thing to blow by a pedestrian crossing the street, it's another to do so knowing you'll probably be charged $150 (or whatever) for having done it.
  - andai 2mo ago
    There was an article on the front page today titled something like "incentives are for schmucks", which I didn't like very much. In this case, incentives are for people who'd like to reduce traffic deaths.
  - UpsideDownRide 2mo ago
    So it's something AI, somewhere, you cant verify it, nevermind us. But you feel comfortable stating it both as a fact and a good thing to have.
    - margalabargala 2mo ago
      If you see someone stating something as being "a good thing to have", you accidentally replied to the wrong comment. If you read "one can see how someone might not object to this" and understand "this is a good thing to have" then I'm afraid the issue is you contributing the stats that news agencies like to publish about American reading comprehension trends.
mohamedkoubaa 2mo ago
Please don't call license plate scanners AI
- margalabargala 2mo ago
  Why not? If they use a machine learning approach. AI is more than LLMs. It's a trained model, just like Claude.
  - knollimar 2mo ago
    Using the broader label to imply good things about the narrow thing sucks. Like being pro "technology" means nothing
    - Filligree 2mo ago
      The word means what it does. I’m not changing my use of language just because some people misunderstand the dictionary definition.
    - margalabargala 2mo ago
      What narrow thing? "AI" has been used to refer to ML models for longer than LLMs have existed. Your choice to see "AI" and assume some narrow definition is a personal issue that you could correct on your own if you chose.
      - knollimar 2mo ago
        Look you can be pedantic about the language all you want. I'm 100% for preferring saying LLM when you mean LLM. We're in a thread about AI surveillence. Note the "I imagine there are a number of similar situations in every country, where the deployment of AI surveillance has a sufficiently measurably positive impact that it becomes popular" Someone said please don't refer to license plate scanners as AI. One can be obtuse and take that at face value, or one could read it as "please don't lump more deterministic ML together haphazardly by calling them all AI. " This is what I mean by broad and narrow. You could have said technological surveillence and it had the same effect.
sandcat_ 2mo ago
Vietnam? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/world/asia/vietnam-traffic-fines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/world/asia/vietnam-traffi...
nektro 2mo ago
aaand that's enough internet for today

zahlman 2mo ago

> their government installed AI traffic enforcement cameras all over What does the AI actually do? Identify specific cars and their drivers, or something? What actual enforcement actions were taken as a result, and against how many drivers before it stopped? One might wonder how much of the effect was placebo (i.e., people conforming simply due to the belief of being surveilled).

margalabargala 2mo ago
> What does the AI actually do? Identify specific cars and their drivers, or something? Yes, exactly. It identifies cars and drivers who are committing traffic violations, and issues citations. I don't have the specific numbers you ask for, seeing as I can't even remember the country, but it's not difficult to imagine that if sufficiently many such cameras are installed that most moving violations on major roadways are caught and punished, then yes, people will come to (reasonably) believe that the cost of committing the violation is close to the price of the fine, rather than close to zero. It's one thing to blow by a pedestrian crossing the street, it's another to do so knowing you'll probably be charged $150 (or whatever) for having done it.
- andai 2mo ago
  There was an article on the front page today titled something like "incentives are for schmucks", which I didn't like very much. In this case, incentives are for people who'd like to reduce traffic deaths.
- UpsideDownRide 2mo ago
  So it's something AI, somewhere, you cant verify it, nevermind us. But you feel comfortable stating it both as a fact and a good thing to have.
  - margalabargala 2mo ago
    If you see someone stating something as being "a good thing to have", you accidentally replied to the wrong comment. If you read "one can see how someone might not object to this" and understand "this is a good thing to have" then I'm afraid the issue is you contributing the stats that news agencies like to publish about American reading comprehension trends.

mohamedkoubaa 2mo ago

Please don't call license plate scanners AI

margalabargala 2mo ago
Why not? If they use a machine learning approach. AI is more than LLMs. It's a trained model, just like Claude.
- knollimar 2mo ago
  Using the broader label to imply good things about the narrow thing sucks. Like being pro "technology" means nothing
  - Filligree 2mo ago
    The word means what it does. I’m not changing my use of language just because some people misunderstand the dictionary definition.
  - margalabargala 2mo ago
    What narrow thing? "AI" has been used to refer to ML models for longer than LLMs have existed. Your choice to see "AI" and assume some narrow definition is a personal issue that you could correct on your own if you chose.
    - knollimar 2mo ago
      Look you can be pedantic about the language all you want. I'm 100% for preferring saying LLM when you mean LLM. We're in a thread about AI surveillence. Note the "I imagine there are a number of similar situations in every country, where the deployment of AI surveillance has a sufficiently measurably positive impact that it becomes popular" Someone said please don't refer to license plate scanners as AI. One can be obtuse and take that at face value, or one could read it as "please don't lump more deterministic ML together haphazardly by calling them all AI. " This is what I mean by broad and narrow. You could have said technological surveillence and it had the same effect.

sandcat_ 2mo ago

Vietnam? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/world/asia/vietnam-traffic-fines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/world/asia/vietnam-traffi...

nektro 2mo ago

aaand that's enough internet for today