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maybe because every time UBI is tried it fails?

by greenchair 2mo ago

messe 2mo ago
It has never been tried. Remind us what the U stands for?
- DaSHacka 2mo ago
  Then it will never happen regardless, let alone the fact that any attempts to do as such will collapse before reaching "universal" status
- TacticalCoder 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - azan_ 2mo ago
    Communist countries are opposite of UBI by design! You are actually expected to work and work hard and freeloaders are punished. Of course work is extremely inefficient in communist systems and this system leads to poverty, but thinking that communist countries have anything to do with UBI is just dumb.
    - cindyllm 2mo ago
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worik 2mo ago
When? Where?
com 2mo ago
Can you provide any links that show that every time it’s tried, it fails? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots Skimming this list, there seems to be one really marked failure, in Finland, but that’s disputed I read also. Can you list more failures?
- pitched 2mo ago
  This link says very explicitly that it did show people were discouraged from working, making the experiment obviously a failure. > Among all the people, only two key groups were found to be discouraged from working by the Mincome project – new mothers and teenaged boys, who, instead of entering the workforce at an early age, decided to study until grade 12, increasing the proportion of students who graduate high school.
  - AshamedBadger56 2mo ago
    Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but neither of those outcomes sound like failures? They sound like a net positive for society. New mothers get to spend more time with their children, which has a ton of societal benefits, and teenaged boys decided to study more, and become more educated, something that also helps society out a lot. I admittedly didn't read the entire link yet, but both of those sound to me like a positive outcome of UBI, or at least neutral.
    - pitched 2mo ago
      It sounds like you understood. I find the disconnect between the summary above and the quote below really funny. Almost as funny as explaining the joke here!
      - dag100 2mo ago
        Really, many jokes of this nature have to be signalled out-of-band somehow due to Poe's law (particularly applicable in this case). I wouldn't be surprised if a non-negligible number of users here actually held this view (due to a variety of reasons and justifications perhaps, but nevertheless still possessing such a perspective).
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michaelhoney 2mo ago
you will need to provide evidence for that assertion

maybe because every time UBI is tried it fails?

messe 2mo ago

It has never been tried. Remind us what the U stands for?

DaSHacka 2mo ago
Then it will never happen regardless, let alone the fact that any attempts to do as such will collapse before reaching "universal" status
TacticalCoder 2mo ago
[flagged]
- azan_ 2mo ago
  Communist countries are opposite of UBI by design! You are actually expected to work and work hard and freeloaders are punished. Of course work is extremely inefficient in communist systems and this system leads to poverty, but thinking that communist countries have anything to do with UBI is just dumb.
  - cindyllm 2mo ago
    [dead]

worik 2mo ago

When? Where?

com 2mo ago

Can you provide any links that show that every time it’s tried, it fails? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots Skimming this list, there seems to be one really marked failure, in Finland, but that’s disputed I read also. Can you list more failures?

pitched 2mo ago
This link says very explicitly that it did show people were discouraged from working, making the experiment obviously a failure. > Among all the people, only two key groups were found to be discouraged from working by the Mincome project – new mothers and teenaged boys, who, instead of entering the workforce at an early age, decided to study until grade 12, increasing the proportion of students who graduate high school.
- AshamedBadger56 2mo ago
  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but neither of those outcomes sound like failures? They sound like a net positive for society. New mothers get to spend more time with their children, which has a ton of societal benefits, and teenaged boys decided to study more, and become more educated, something that also helps society out a lot. I admittedly didn't read the entire link yet, but both of those sound to me like a positive outcome of UBI, or at least neutral.
  - pitched 2mo ago
    It sounds like you understood. I find the disconnect between the summary above and the quote below really funny. Almost as funny as explaining the joke here!
    - dag100 2mo ago
      Really, many jokes of this nature have to be signalled out-of-band somehow due to Poe's law (particularly applicable in this case). I wouldn't be surprised if a non-negligible number of users here actually held this view (due to a variety of reasons and justifications perhaps, but nevertheless still possessing such a perspective).
  - deleted 2mo ago
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michaelhoney 2mo ago

you will need to provide evidence for that assertion