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Why would it be too late?

inigyou 2mo ago
It'll already be summer temperatures in winter and most life will have died off
galangalalgol 2mo ago
Some reports indicate it is already to late for emission reduction, or even elimination, to halt the feedback effects that continue the trend. But it won't be too late for active climate engineering until the effects of the climate change prevent our ability to do that engineering.
chicken-stew 2mo ago
Thermal systems are slow. On the planetary scale of pump and dump heat the lag is something like 30 years. So the change you’re experiencing today is the effect of what was exhausted in the 90s. What we’re getting in 2050 is already locked in.
- ffsm8 2mo ago
  I don't disagree but I feel like this comment chain kinda implies taking action today would actually meaningfully change the trajectory too... It really doesn't. Climate change is a global problem. It would need a global solution, and everyone should know that that's beyond unlikely to appear... So the only thing you can do is reduce local pollution - which is meaningful in it's way (better quality of life), but has no long term impact on the climate.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    It really depends on which action you take.
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K0balt 2mo ago
Because photosynthesis grinds to a halt at about 40c. This is what people are missing. Climate change isn’t the world hiding in their apartments with the AC blasting, its cities burning a week after everything seemed fine. Civilisation takes millennia of stable, plentiful resources to create, and a week without food for 30 percent of the population to utterly destroy. I’d love to be wrong, if you disagree please say why.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Climate change is no food next year because this year's heat wave killed all the crops. If we're unlucky. But there's still next year to get unlucky. And the year after that. And the year after that.
danaris 2mo ago
It's not—the point is that many people that were claiming climate change is a hoax have shifted, now that it's much plainer that climate change is real, to saying it's too late to do anything about it so we shouldn't try. It's just finding new narratives to protect the incumbent moneyed interests from ever having their infinitely increasing rate of growth threatened.

It'll already be summer temperatures in winter and most life will have died off

Some reports indicate it is already to late for emission reduction, or even elimination, to halt the feedback effects that continue the trend. But it won't be too late for active climate engineering until the effects of the climate change prevent our ability to do that engineering.

chicken-stew 2mo ago

Thermal systems are slow. On the planetary scale of pump and dump heat the lag is something like 30 years. So the change you’re experiencing today is the effect of what was exhausted in the 90s. What we’re getting in 2050 is already locked in.

ffsm8 2mo ago
I don't disagree but I feel like this comment chain kinda implies taking action today would actually meaningfully change the trajectory too... It really doesn't. Climate change is a global problem. It would need a global solution, and everyone should know that that's beyond unlikely to appear... So the only thing you can do is reduce local pollution - which is meaningful in it's way (better quality of life), but has no long term impact on the climate.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  It really depends on which action you take.
- deleted 2mo ago
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K0balt 2mo ago

Because photosynthesis grinds to a halt at about 40c. This is what people are missing. Climate change isn’t the world hiding in their apartments with the AC blasting, its cities burning a week after everything seemed fine. Civilisation takes millennia of stable, plentiful resources to create, and a week without food for 30 percent of the population to utterly destroy. I’d love to be wrong, if you disagree please say why.

inigyou 2mo ago
Climate change is no food next year because this year's heat wave killed all the crops. If we're unlucky. But there's still next year to get unlucky. And the year after that. And the year after that.

danaris 2mo ago

It's not—the point is that many people that were claiming climate change is a hoax have shifted, now that it's much plainer that climate change is real, to saying it's too late to do anything about it so we shouldn't try. It's just finding new narratives to protect the incumbent moneyed interests from ever having their infinitely increasing rate of growth threatened.