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If anything a union would aid job mobility. And theres no reason you cant still individually negotiate and receive equity if you are in a union.
by Melatonic 2mo ago
If anything a union would aid job mobility. And theres no reason you cant still individually negotiate and receive equity if you are in a union.
- ThrowawayR2 2mo agoIIRC union seniority is tied to the current employer. Move to another employer and all your seniority and the perks that go with it are gone so union members avoid it. No mobility for you.
- Melatonic 2mo agoI have not seen that to be the case. Usually the opposite. You have x years of seniority/experience and then you hit a minimum base pay for your new employer.
- preg_match 2mo agoMaybe but don't we want, overall, more seniority in most places? Most software shops struggle because their executives are extremely short-term focused, so they cycle employees at an extreme rate to chase very temporary highs of payroll savings. But engineers are actually not fungible. 99% of the time, the graybeard is going to run circles around the 10x engineer unicorn you just hired. And that 10x engineer unicorn is gonna be gone in one year's time, because they can do that.
- greyface- 2mo agoThe National Labor Relations Act prohibits covered employers from negotiating directly with employees.
- johnnyanmac 2mo agoYet they do it indirectly all the time to bust unions. That's not really a barrier.
- greyface- 2mo agoWe agree, then, that it's ineffective at its stated goal of constraining an employer's power.
- johnnyanmac 2mo agoIndeed. But that's by design from decades of efforts to reduce union powers. A proper system would simply patch the obvious loopholes to get the intended result. But sometimes neglect is a better tool than opposition.
- greyface- 2mo agoSo why should I bind myself to it, if it's reached this point? The master's tools won't dismantle the master's house. Subjecting myself to a collective bargaining agreement meaningfully limits my individual power, but no longer meaningfully limits my employer's power.
- johnnyanmac 2mo ago> Subjecting myself to a collective bargaining agreement meaningfully limits my individual power, but no longer meaningfully limits my employer's power. You're really just saying "I don't need collective bargaining, I got mine". Collective bargaining only works if everyone does it. You do it because everyone needs to do it for it t o work. You don't get insurance because your house or car is fine today, or even because you're a bad driver/homeowner. You get it because you can't predict the future, and the overall cost is cheaper than floating the bill by yourself should the worst happen. If you used the same mentality for your car insurance, insurance as a model also wouldn't work. That seems to be a big sticking point people don't get (probably because the propoganda works). Unions always fail due to collective effort of companies and the government to weaken them, not because of any nitpicks over drama or bad leaders or whatnot. Every workplace already has those but many keep ticking.
- greyface- 2mo ago
- Melatonic 2mo agoCompanies can choose to pay you more. There's nothing probibiting that
- greyface- 2mo agoI recommend that you read your collective bargaining agreement more closely.