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Thanks! Given this was CBC, my jaw hit the floor when I saw London. I live 20 mins from London, Ontario and 70k thefts in a year would be _insane_. Then I real

Thanks! Given this was CBC, my jaw hit the floor when I saw London. I live 20 mins from London, Ontario and 70k thefts in a year would be _insane_. Then I realized it was about London, U.K. and my jaw only hit the table. 70k is still insane, though.

skobes 3mo ago
Even the CBC thinks of London, England before London, Ontario.
- Waterluvian 3mo ago
  Poor London. (Ontario.) (Canada.)
  - oniony 3mo ago
    They should have called it New London.
    - mauvehaus 3mo ago
      That's in Connecticut and it's older than London, Ontario: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_London,_Connecticut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_London,_Connecticut
    - FromHoiPolloi 3mo ago
      or 'Fake London'
clort 3mo ago
Is it really insane? That is less than 200 per day, in a city of 15 million people.. a single gang of 20 thieves could likely manage that! The real question is, how does this compare to other cities of this size and demographics?
- iamnothere 3mo ago
  Why compare demographics?
  - pavel_lishin 3mo ago
    I would expect a city that's mostly retirement communities to have less snatch-and-run thefts than a city where tourists make up a large part of the population at any given time.
    - aliclark 3mo ago
      Retired people a probably quite easy targets in this scenario.
      - brewdad 3mo ago
        Not if they drive everywhere
    - iamnothere 3mo ago
      Interestingly, Tokyo has a much larger population than London with a very low crime rate. I can’t find specific numbers on stolen phones (only lost phone statistics are published) but robberies/muggings are 0.04 per 1,000 yearly versus London’s 2.83 per 1,000. Seoul has a similar rate to Tokyo, 0.4 to 0.5. Also, is there even a single city of London’s size that is mostly retirement communities?
      - Melatonic 3mo ago
        The kind of crime in Tokyo that is happening may also just not be reported
        iamnothere 3mo ago
        In Beijing robberies are 0.55 per 1,000. In Taipei it’s an unbelievable 0.0036 per 1,000, although general theft is higher at 2.12 (compared to London at 52.9). Are all these countries underreporting? Singapore is 0.01 per 1,000. Hanoi doesn’t have published statistics but its Numbeo crime index (calculated from surveys) is 33.8 versus London at 55.3. I think we can stop excusing London’s numbers. Want a non-Asian country in case Asians are somehow magical beings who don’t do robberies? Ottawa is 0.11 to 0.13 per 1,000. Vancouver is 0.73 per 1,000. Sydney is 0.13 to 0.15 per 1,000. Dubai is 0.03 to 0.045 per 1,000. London is supposed to be a global city on par with many of these others. So what is going wrong? It’s hard to get good stats on Cairo, but its crime index is lower than London somehow, despite the higher levels of poverty. Same with Islamabad and Jaipur.
frereubu 3mo ago
The number is too high, but dropping: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx4762znr6o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx4762znr6o

skobes 3mo ago

Even the CBC thinks of London, England before London, Ontario.

Waterluvian 3mo ago
Poor London. (Ontario.) (Canada.)
- oniony 3mo ago
  They should have called it New London.
  - mauvehaus 3mo ago
    That's in Connecticut and it's older than London, Ontario: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_London,_Connecticut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_London,_Connecticut
  - FromHoiPolloi 3mo ago
    or 'Fake London'

clort 3mo ago

Is it really insane? That is less than 200 per day, in a city of 15 million people.. a single gang of 20 thieves could likely manage that! The real question is, how does this compare to other cities of this size and demographics?

iamnothere 3mo ago
Why compare demographics?
- pavel_lishin 3mo ago
  I would expect a city that's mostly retirement communities to have less snatch-and-run thefts than a city where tourists make up a large part of the population at any given time.
  - aliclark 3mo ago
    Retired people a probably quite easy targets in this scenario.
    - brewdad 3mo ago
      Not if they drive everywhere
  - iamnothere 3mo ago
    Interestingly, Tokyo has a much larger population than London with a very low crime rate. I can’t find specific numbers on stolen phones (only lost phone statistics are published) but robberies/muggings are 0.04 per 1,000 yearly versus London’s 2.83 per 1,000. Seoul has a similar rate to Tokyo, 0.4 to 0.5. Also, is there even a single city of London’s size that is mostly retirement communities?
    - Melatonic 3mo ago
      The kind of crime in Tokyo that is happening may also just not be reported
      - iamnothere 3mo ago
        In Beijing robberies are 0.55 per 1,000. In Taipei it’s an unbelievable 0.0036 per 1,000, although general theft is higher at 2.12 (compared to London at 52.9). Are all these countries underreporting? Singapore is 0.01 per 1,000. Hanoi doesn’t have published statistics but its Numbeo crime index (calculated from surveys) is 33.8 versus London at 55.3. I think we can stop excusing London’s numbers. Want a non-Asian country in case Asians are somehow magical beings who don’t do robberies? Ottawa is 0.11 to 0.13 per 1,000. Vancouver is 0.73 per 1,000. Sydney is 0.13 to 0.15 per 1,000. Dubai is 0.03 to 0.045 per 1,000. London is supposed to be a global city on par with many of these others. So what is going wrong? It’s hard to get good stats on Cairo, but its crime index is lower than London somehow, despite the higher levels of poverty. Same with Islamabad and Jaipur.

frereubu 3mo ago

The number is too high, but dropping: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx4762znr6o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx4762znr6o