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Look out Sublime and Textmate ... here comes Brackets (stunning)

56 points by stickhandle 14y ago

stickhandle 14y ago
Product demo videos don't usually hold my attention ... but I was riveted for the full 20 mins (full credit to both the product and Jeffry Way). Downloading the repo now.
zenogais 14y ago
Looks neat features. But I write neither HTML nor CSS on a regular basis. Does it offer anything for non-web programmers?
epoxyhockey 14y ago
I just skimmed the long video.. The good: auto-refreshing preview of HTML page upon save The bad: no auto-end-brackets or end quotes as one types (ironic, considering the editor is named Brackets) I am sure that the talented Adobe engineers will make this editor a major contender for Sublime and Textmate in the future, but at this point, I think the stunning attribute in the post title is a bit link-baitish. I'm looking forward to watching the editor develop into a mature product!
- newishuser 14y ago
  The link bait was mentioning HN's 2 favorite editors. Especially since we've discussed brackets several times before: http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=brackets+editor&start=0 http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=bra...
  - JanezStupar 14y ago
    I always thought that HN's two favourite editors were VI and EMACS...
    - munchor 14y ago
      Vim and Emacs are very probably HN's two favorite editors, not sure why he said that.
    - jessaustin 14y ago
      I thought it was a joke.
  - epoxyhockey 14y ago
    Yes, you are correct! Egg on my face for not noticing the earlier mentions. Unfortunately for the army or Bracket promoters, substance really matters within the technical community. One can't market their way into product adoption with an inferior technical product in this community.
zevyoura 14y ago
This has been around for a while now, I used it a few months ago, and while interesting it didn't do anything I don't already do with Sublime and other tools. Someday it may do those things more easily, but for now, I don't see any significant reason to switch.
fudged71 14y ago
I noticed that the Emmet extension added keyboard shortcuts like "Command+Up". But that's a standard OSX text entry navigation shortcut! Why would you do that?
chank 14y ago
This is in no way a threat to native editors.
mcrider 14y ago
Can i just get this theme for sublime text while I wait for this project to mature?
jevin 14y ago
Is it me, or are they trying to hide the Brackets / Adobe relation ?
- jakejake 14y ago
  It says right on the home page that it's maintained by Adobe & the github repos are all maintained by Adobe as well. Just curious, do you think Adobe has a bad reputation for making software that would make them want to dis-associate with the company?
  - jevin 14y ago
    Personally, I think Adobe has a bad reputation for making software. Flash, Dreamweaver and Acrobat comes to mind. Flash - Difficult to work with (I know most beginners struggle with it). Dreamweaver - Bloated software that generates weird HTML code. Acrobat - Slow and bloated software. Can't a PDF reader be simpler ? But as adrocknaphobia pointed out 'this isn't "Adobe Brackets", it's just "Brackets"'. Turns out there's no hiding after-all.
- bdcravens 14y ago
  I don't think so. There's some Adobe heavyweights involved with the project. The flipside is Twitter Bootstrap, which was never an "official" Twitter project. https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/b95033c270af https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/b95033c270af
- dagw 14y ago
  It's stated clearly on the front page, line two of the first paragraph. How is that hiding?
- adrocknaphobia 14y ago
  We aren't trying to hide Adobe involvement with Brackets, but it's very important to recognize that this isn't "Adobe Brackets", it's just "Brackets". This is a community driven project. Adobe is just the benefactor. I think that putting Adobe's logo / name next to everything would overshadow all the work and contributions from the community. -Adam Lehman Brackets Product Manager (at Adobe)
alexpopescu 14y ago
What is the auto-refresh going to show me when working on a Python or Ruby... or actually any non HTML file?
bitsoda 14y ago
Well, it certainly looks nice, but seems limited to mostly front-end web development work. I don't think Sublime and Textmate have anything to worry about for the foreseeable future.
northisup 14y ago
SENSATIONALIST TITLE! This seems great for web dev, but Sublime is just killer for Python, I don't see this making any editor 'look out' if you spend most of your time in a backend language.
tomvo 14y ago
Sublime + LiveReload does basically the same thing.
sk5t 14y ago
Is "stunning" the new "beautiful," "great," or "awesome"? I can't even bring myself to click on such a baity title.
tshadwell 14y ago
I was (stunned).
jakejake 14y ago
This looks interesting but what is more interesting to me is the brackets-shell, which looks to be a chromium shell for running an HTML/JS app as a native application. It looks to be very minimal and would just be fantastic for creating desktop apps. Every one of the existing solutions I've checked out so far all kinda suck in some way. I hadn't realized that was working yet. I saw the repo for the shell itself is here https://github.com/adobe/brackets-shell https://github.com/adobe/brackets-shell - it seems almost like a lightweight version of AIR. Does anybody have any more information on this..?
ejdyksen 14y ago
Since the blog is loading slowly, direct link to the video: http://youtu.be/HZkrlX7jJcg http://youtu.be/HZkrlX7jJcg
nnq 14y ago
How hard would it be for someone to build and IDE (with nice code browser, refactoring and all the smart stuff... like JetBrains products) on top of or incorporating an editor like Sublime or Textmate? I'd pay an arm and leg for IDEA or PyCharm with Sublime as the text editor (or something else with multiple cursors and all the "shiny" editor stuff), and the ability to launch either the full IDE or just the editor and be able to share editor settings, depending on what I'm doing (eg. the IDE for browsing a huge codebase or just the editor for working on a small project)... I can even think of a business idea: 1. make awesome open source editor (Sublime text with optional Vim keybindings is awesome enough for me) 2. build smart IDE on top of it (what I expect from an IDE are things that require "understanding the code", ie. lots of language specific features, refactoring and tools integration, nice looking tree code browser etc.) 3. profit!!! (imagine that you'll also profit from the evolution of the open-source editor and from the "complex" IDE features you develop, at the same time! and the "IDE haters" that will just use the editor would use or recommend the IDE whenever they would need to navigate an ugly codebase or recommend something to someone else)
- zer01 14y ago
  Oh man I agree whole-heartedly. Let programs do what they're already good at. PyCharm is good at managing things and being a general IDE, and Sublime is fricken awesome at editing text. Both try to dabble in eachother's realm, but the places where they shine should be inter-operable, not combative.
- mahmoudimus 14y ago
  They're definitely working on it. I know the JetBrains folks are working very hard to integrate the editing systems of something like emacs / sublime into their IDE. I'll ping @intelliyole on twitter to respond. https://twitter.com/mahmoudimus/status/279494119431217153 https://twitter.com/mahmoudimus/status/279494119431217153 Update: For now, what I do is use an external command that pipes out the buffer to Emacs and I use Emacs to slice and dice - then I just C-c # out of Emacs and switch back to PyCharm and keep on coding.
- Derbasti 14y ago
  There are some fairly awesome Vim plugins out there for various IDEs. In fact, I would consider their availability a great feature of Vim!
human_error 14y ago
It's quite misleading. Sublime and Textmate support lots of languages whereas as far as I can see Brackets is only for HTML/CSS/JS.
- Derbasti 14y ago
  Also its not cross-platform. And those plugins in compressed js gave me shivers.
moocow01 14y ago
I stopped at "you can edit the editor's source code in HTML/JS/CSS" For me personally, I want the best native editor I can find that makes doing my job easier/simpler - I don't want an editor that I can tinker around with its source code and accidentally shoot myself in the foot.
- cypher543 14y ago
  If you're afraid of shooting yourself in the foot, don't edit the source code.
btipling 14y ago
Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to package managers across platforms after withstanding the test of time. The test of more than one person or just a few developing it and then moving on to something else. With vim and emacs you're guaranteed to not be wasting your time learning their arcane ways. Long after humans have left the Earth someone will be reprogramming a couple of launch tubes on their trans-stellar space vehicle with vim. They wont be using this fluff from Adobe.
- munchor 14y ago
  Yeah, Vim and Emacs are actively developed (I checked the repositories the other day, commits every day on both) and the communities are huge. The editors are different, yes, but both brilliant.
- seanmcdirmid 14y ago
  Good grief. Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since the 90s as a percentage of the developer community, and no one is predicting that they will regain market share. And back to the original article, live programming and rich editing experiences is the future; emacs and VIM will go the way of the typewriter and x-terminal.
  - Derbasti 14y ago
    Right. Who uses terminals these days?! Except just about every developer I know.
    - venomsnake 14y ago
      Disclaimer: Every is defined as not including a lot of developers on Microsoft platforms, web developers, Java Enterprise developers etc ...
nallerooth 14y ago
I saw this one a while back (a couple of weeks, I think). While it looked nice, I didn't "get it" - why would I use an editor that is severely limited (only HTML/CSS/JS) when there are other editors out there that supports pretty much everything? Sure, you can "improve" (read: mess up) the editor by changing it's source code - but I still don't see the point. I'm using Sublime Text 2, with it's package manager. Everything I need is a few key presses away, and there's usually no need to restart the editor after installing something. Also, I'd never use an editor that didn't support remote sync on save, version control, etc. (Managing component source code outside of the webroot makes it so much easier to handle in git.)
runeb 14y ago
I doubt I'll be leaving vim for this anytime soon. More interesting would be if they could extract a framework for doing cross plattform desktop apps with html/css/js from this.
slajax 14y ago
If it doesn't run in a terminal I probably can't use it. Vim. That is all.
veidr 14y ago
Here's the important link for anybody else who downloaded this and then thought "Damn, I fell for yet another link bait post for some halfassed unfinished edito--HEY, what a great font!!". https://github.com/adobe/Source-Code-Pro/downloads https://github.com/adobe/Source-Code-Pro/downloads
- omgtehlion 14y ago
  Have you forgot [sacrasm] tag?
  - veidr 14y ago
    No. Do you mean that you weren't impressed with the font? Or that there was something of value that I missed in this self-descriptive blog announcement of yet another pre-alpha release of an experimental text editor? EDIT: Modern after-the-fact typo correction, be damned! Self-descriptive not 'self-deceptive'...
jbrooksuk 14y ago
Sublime does everything I need, it has Vintage mode if I ever decide to screw my brain up further and is cross platform. What else do I need?
mwill 14y ago
I feel so conflicted whenever I see any new editor, ide or environment setup, since I instinctively want to check it out and get excited, but I know that I will likely never leave vim. Light Table in particular has a bunch of ideas (I mean the theoretical best case scenario stuff, I haven't given the alpha a good look) that I wish I could see myself using.
Tichy 14y ago
I know I am a minority, and I am not very likely to switch to a new editor anyway, but I'd like to point out that not everybody watches videos. And if it absolutely has to be a video, why not make it work without flash? I'd have to switch browsers to watch the video, and since I don't even like watching videos, I just won't check out this amazing new editor.
rartichoke 14y ago
Linux support should be a first class citizen IMO. I'm not too impressed by the editor. It's like a less mature and worse version of cloud9. The only neat thing was the inline tag-based css editing window but I wouldn't switch editors just for that.
jkmcf 14y ago
Hopefully Sublime Text's developers aren't following the Textmate precedent: 1. Make awesome software 2. Profit! 3. Party while software languishes (pure assumption) 4. Fail

56 points by stickhandle 14y ago

Product demo videos don't usually hold my attention ... but I was riveted for the full 20 mins (full credit to both the product and Jeffry Way). Downloading the repo now.

zenogais 14y ago

Looks neat features. But I write neither HTML nor CSS on a regular basis. Does it offer anything for non-web programmers?

epoxyhockey 14y ago

I just skimmed the long video.. The good: auto-refreshing preview of HTML page upon save The bad: no auto-end-brackets or end quotes as one types (ironic, considering the editor is named Brackets) I am sure that the talented Adobe engineers will make this editor a major contender for Sublime and Textmate in the future, but at this point, I think the stunning attribute in the post title is a bit link-baitish. I'm looking forward to watching the editor develop into a mature product!

newishuser 14y ago
The link bait was mentioning HN's 2 favorite editors. Especially since we've discussed brackets several times before: http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=brackets+editor&start=0 http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=bra...
- JanezStupar 14y ago
  I always thought that HN's two favourite editors were VI and EMACS...
  - munchor 14y ago
    Vim and Emacs are very probably HN's two favorite editors, not sure why he said that.
  - jessaustin 14y ago
    I thought it was a joke.
- epoxyhockey 14y ago
  Yes, you are correct! Egg on my face for not noticing the earlier mentions. Unfortunately for the army or Bracket promoters, substance really matters within the technical community. One can't market their way into product adoption with an inferior technical product in this community.

zevyoura 14y ago

This has been around for a while now, I used it a few months ago, and while interesting it didn't do anything I don't already do with Sublime and other tools. Someday it may do those things more easily, but for now, I don't see any significant reason to switch.

fudged71 14y ago

I noticed that the Emmet extension added keyboard shortcuts like "Command+Up". But that's a standard OSX text entry navigation shortcut! Why would you do that?

chank 14y ago

This is in no way a threat to native editors.

mcrider 14y ago

Can i just get this theme for sublime text while I wait for this project to mature?

jevin 14y ago

Is it me, or are they trying to hide the Brackets / Adobe relation ?

jakejake 14y ago
It says right on the home page that it's maintained by Adobe & the github repos are all maintained by Adobe as well. Just curious, do you think Adobe has a bad reputation for making software that would make them want to dis-associate with the company?
- jevin 14y ago
  Personally, I think Adobe has a bad reputation for making software. Flash, Dreamweaver and Acrobat comes to mind. Flash - Difficult to work with (I know most beginners struggle with it). Dreamweaver - Bloated software that generates weird HTML code. Acrobat - Slow and bloated software. Can't a PDF reader be simpler ? But as adrocknaphobia pointed out 'this isn't "Adobe Brackets", it's just "Brackets"'. Turns out there's no hiding after-all.
bdcravens 14y ago
I don't think so. There's some Adobe heavyweights involved with the project. The flipside is Twitter Bootstrap, which was never an "official" Twitter project. https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/b95033c270af https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/b95033c270af
dagw 14y ago
It's stated clearly on the front page, line two of the first paragraph. How is that hiding?
adrocknaphobia 14y ago
We aren't trying to hide Adobe involvement with Brackets, but it's very important to recognize that this isn't "Adobe Brackets", it's just "Brackets". This is a community driven project. Adobe is just the benefactor. I think that putting Adobe's logo / name next to everything would overshadow all the work and contributions from the community. -Adam Lehman Brackets Product Manager (at Adobe)

alexpopescu 14y ago

What is the auto-refresh going to show me when working on a Python or Ruby... or actually any non HTML file?

bitsoda 14y ago

Well, it certainly looks nice, but seems limited to mostly front-end web development work. I don't think Sublime and Textmate have anything to worry about for the foreseeable future.

northisup 14y ago

SENSATIONALIST TITLE! This seems great for web dev, but Sublime is just killer for Python, I don't see this making any editor 'look out' if you spend most of your time in a backend language.

tomvo 14y ago

Sublime + LiveReload does basically the same thing.

sk5t 14y ago

Is "stunning" the new "beautiful," "great," or "awesome"? I can't even bring myself to click on such a baity title.

tshadwell 14y ago

I was (stunned).

jakejake 14y ago

This looks interesting but what is more interesting to me is the brackets-shell, which looks to be a chromium shell for running an HTML/JS app as a native application. It looks to be very minimal and would just be fantastic for creating desktop apps. Every one of the existing solutions I've checked out so far all kinda suck in some way. I hadn't realized that was working yet. I saw the repo for the shell itself is here https://github.com/adobe/brackets-shell https://github.com/adobe/brackets-shell - it seems almost like a lightweight version of AIR. Does anybody have any more information on this..?

ejdyksen 14y ago

Since the blog is loading slowly, direct link to the video: http://youtu.be/HZkrlX7jJcg http://youtu.be/HZkrlX7jJcg

nnq 14y ago

How hard would it be for someone to build and IDE (with nice code browser, refactoring and all the smart stuff... like JetBrains products) on top of or incorporating an editor like Sublime or Textmate? I'd pay an arm and leg for IDEA or PyCharm with Sublime as the text editor (or something else with multiple cursors and all the "shiny" editor stuff), and the ability to launch either the full IDE or just the editor and be able to share editor settings, depending on what I'm doing (eg. the IDE for browsing a huge codebase or just the editor for working on a small project)... I can even think of a business idea: 1. make awesome open source editor (Sublime text with optional Vim keybindings is awesome enough for me) 2. build smart IDE on top of it (what I expect from an IDE are things that require "understanding the code", ie. lots of language specific features, refactoring and tools integration, nice looking tree code browser etc.) 3. profit!!! (imagine that you'll also profit from the evolution of the open-source editor and from the "complex" IDE features you develop, at the same time! and the "IDE haters" that will just use the editor would use or recommend the IDE whenever they would need to navigate an ugly codebase or recommend something to someone else)

zer01 14y ago
Oh man I agree whole-heartedly. Let programs do what they're already good at. PyCharm is good at managing things and being a general IDE, and Sublime is fricken awesome at editing text. Both try to dabble in eachother's realm, but the places where they shine should be inter-operable, not combative.
mahmoudimus 14y ago
They're definitely working on it. I know the JetBrains folks are working very hard to integrate the editing systems of something like emacs / sublime into their IDE. I'll ping @intelliyole on twitter to respond. https://twitter.com/mahmoudimus/status/279494119431217153 https://twitter.com/mahmoudimus/status/279494119431217153 Update: For now, what I do is use an external command that pipes out the buffer to Emacs and I use Emacs to slice and dice - then I just C-c # out of Emacs and switch back to PyCharm and keep on coding.
Derbasti 14y ago
There are some fairly awesome Vim plugins out there for various IDEs. In fact, I would consider their availability a great feature of Vim!

human_error 14y ago

It's quite misleading. Sublime and Textmate support lots of languages whereas as far as I can see Brackets is only for HTML/CSS/JS.

Derbasti 14y ago
Also its not cross-platform. And those plugins in compressed js gave me shivers.

moocow01 14y ago

I stopped at "you can edit the editor's source code in HTML/JS/CSS" For me personally, I want the best native editor I can find that makes doing my job easier/simpler - I don't want an editor that I can tinker around with its source code and accidentally shoot myself in the foot.

cypher543 14y ago
If you're afraid of shooting yourself in the foot, don't edit the source code.

btipling 14y ago

Eventually everyone's editor search ends with vim, emacs or a management position. All these editors like Sublime Text 2, Chocolat, Light IDE, Cloud9, etc fail at very basic task: sticking around. They also fail at another task: being available everywhere. If a new decent editor shows up, it wont be shiny, it wont grab headlines on HN with a fancily designed website, it will simply grow popular slowly, be added to package managers across platforms after withstanding the test of time. The test of more than one person or just a few developing it and then moving on to something else. With vim and emacs you're guaranteed to not be wasting your time learning their arcane ways. Long after humans have left the Earth someone will be reprogramming a couple of launch tubes on their trans-stellar space vehicle with vim. They wont be using this fluff from Adobe.

munchor 14y ago
Yeah, Vim and Emacs are actively developed (I checked the repositories the other day, commits every day on both) and the communities are huge. The editors are different, yes, but both brilliant.
seanmcdirmid 14y ago
Good grief. Emacs and VIM use has actually been going down since the 90s as a percentage of the developer community, and no one is predicting that they will regain market share. And back to the original article, live programming and rich editing experiences is the future; emacs and VIM will go the way of the typewriter and x-terminal.
- Derbasti 14y ago
  Right. Who uses terminals these days?! Except just about every developer I know.
  - venomsnake 14y ago
    Disclaimer: Every is defined as not including a lot of developers on Microsoft platforms, web developers, Java Enterprise developers etc ...

nallerooth 14y ago

I saw this one a while back (a couple of weeks, I think). While it looked nice, I didn't "get it" - why would I use an editor that is severely limited (only HTML/CSS/JS) when there are other editors out there that supports pretty much everything? Sure, you can "improve" (read: mess up) the editor by changing it's source code - but I still don't see the point. I'm using Sublime Text 2, with it's package manager. Everything I need is a few key presses away, and there's usually no need to restart the editor after installing something. Also, I'd never use an editor that didn't support remote sync on save, version control, etc. (Managing component source code outside of the webroot makes it so much easier to handle in git.)

runeb 14y ago

I doubt I'll be leaving vim for this anytime soon. More interesting would be if they could extract a framework for doing cross plattform desktop apps with html/css/js from this.

slajax 14y ago

If it doesn't run in a terminal I probably can't use it. Vim. That is all.

veidr 14y ago

Here's the important link for anybody else who downloaded this and then thought "Damn, I fell for yet another link bait post for some halfassed unfinished edito--HEY, what a great font!!". https://github.com/adobe/Source-Code-Pro/downloads https://github.com/adobe/Source-Code-Pro/downloads

omgtehlion 14y ago
Have you forgot [sacrasm] tag?
- veidr 14y ago
  No. Do you mean that you weren't impressed with the font? Or that there was something of value that I missed in this self-descriptive blog announcement of yet another pre-alpha release of an experimental text editor? EDIT: Modern after-the-fact typo correction, be damned! Self-descriptive not 'self-deceptive'...

jbrooksuk 14y ago

Sublime does everything I need, it has Vintage mode if I ever decide to screw my brain up further and is cross platform. What else do I need?

mwill 14y ago

I feel so conflicted whenever I see any new editor, ide or environment setup, since I instinctively want to check it out and get excited, but I know that I will likely never leave vim. Light Table in particular has a bunch of ideas (I mean the theoretical best case scenario stuff, I haven't given the alpha a good look) that I wish I could see myself using.

Tichy 14y ago

I know I am a minority, and I am not very likely to switch to a new editor anyway, but I'd like to point out that not everybody watches videos. And if it absolutely has to be a video, why not make it work without flash? I'd have to switch browsers to watch the video, and since I don't even like watching videos, I just won't check out this amazing new editor.

rartichoke 14y ago

Linux support should be a first class citizen IMO. I'm not too impressed by the editor. It's like a less mature and worse version of cloud9. The only neat thing was the inline tag-based css editing window but I wouldn't switch editors just for that.

jkmcf 14y ago

Hopefully Sublime Text's developers aren't following the Textmate precedent: 1. Make awesome software 2. Profit! 3. Party while software languishes (pure assumption) 4. Fail