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Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data.
by tristanj 3mo ago
Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data.
https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/ https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/
- GodelNumbering 3mo agoI think that's a fair offering tbh
- deno 3mo agoI think it's limited to US or at least EU is excluded.
- Instantnoodl 3mo agoJust noticed it too... Seems like I wasted my time setting up a account to test with the discounted pricing
- ray_kay777 3mo agoYep, doesn't work in Australia either.
- ray_kay777 3mo agoThis makes it a very interesting alternative to Deepseek for personal work where I don't care about the training - judging by the AA benchmarks it seems like overall cost per task is similar to the new Deepseek Flash but with better benchmarks (and inbuilt vision capabilities).
- embedding-shape 3mo agoExcept with one you know they'll release the weights and architecture back to the community, with the other, it leans towards they won't do that.
- martinald 3mo agoAlso looks incredibly fast. 150tps on openrouter (nearly all deepseek providers are around the 50tps mark).
- sgt101 3mo agoDo you know a good place for accessing the full sized chinese models but hosted not in China?
- drob518 3mo agoFor Deepseek specifically, OpenRouter has a number of non-Chinese providers. Pricing varies.
- dan15 3mo agoProbably to compete with DeepSeek, which AFAIK also retains data (or at least OpenRouter says they do)
- ForHackernews 3mo agoDeepSeek is really crazy cheap, though, and they don't have a giant pool of other invasive personal data to correlate it with.
- jofzar 3mo agoI hate to say this and this is because I fucking despise meta. But between DeepSeek and Meta, and trust they handle the training data correctly, I trust meta.
- aand16 3mo agoWhat do you mean by "correctly"?
- handfuloflight 3mo agoFor example, OpenCode says they have a ZDR with DeepSeek. Some of us are skeptical that's going to be properly honored. There's no way to know.
- tpm 3mo agoRight about DeepSeek, but with their history of handling data, I would never trust Meta either.
- dghlsakjg 3mo agoFYI: there are providers of deepseek that offer the same or lower pricing and zero retention policies.
- greyb 3mo agoUnfortunately, none with the same caching performance as DeepSeek proper.
- HDBaseT 3mo agoMeta, please offer this on OpenRouter too (ZDR + Non-ZDR, official Meta Provider).
- jjcm 3mo agoI actually really like that pricing strategy. It's very transparent
- bdangubic 3mo agoI love the idea of this pricing strategy but there is no way meta is not training on your data regardless of your monthly invoice
- simonw 3mo agoSo you think the only difference between the $1.25/million token plan and the $0.10/million token plan is that you pay them more to both lie to you and breach their contractual obligation to you?
- bdangubic 3mo agowhen has Meta ever not broken their contractual obligations (I am being serious here)? are we seriously discussing/expecting any sort of privacy related to Meta? you can pay whatever they want, they will train and use your data, I figured this is not something that should be discussed but obviously I have been mistaken...
- simonw 3mo agoThis is one of those situations where we are both completely baffled by the position held by the other person. The fact that Facebook has so much experience taking advantage of people's private data is one of the reasons I believe them when they say they won't be doing it when you pay them for that service.
- teiferer 3mo agoHow does money change that trust? They certainly have breached their word on this in the past (for non-paying users of Facebook).
- gigatexal 3mo agoYikes that’s compelling pricing.
- moonu 3mo agoI've been surprised by the reception to this, as OpenAI, for a while now, has had free API usage when data sharing is enabled (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10306912-sharing-feedback-evaluation-and-fine-tuning-data-and-api-inputs-and-outputs-with-openai https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10306912-sharing-feedbac...)
- OsrsNeedsf2P 3mo agoI tried following this page, and it's certainly a lot more complex than what Meta is offering. Different price tiers, opt-in configurations, usage based availability.. I'll take the 10x discount for flipping a param switch over this all day long.
- stingraycharles 3mo agoSeems pretty clear to me: enable it for the projects you want, and there’s a 1M / 10M token limit per day, depending on the model you use. Assuming an average context size of 100k tokens, that is 10 to 100 requests, which is not a lot. Reason enough to prefer actually paying for Meta as well.
- no-name-here 3mo agoDoes it show the free tokens message for you after you enable sharing? It does not for me.
- skybrian 3mo agoThis seems to be for business plans only?
- no-name-here 3mo agoDoes it say that? I’m unclear. Even non business accounts seem to have org settings pages: https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-controls/sharing https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr... But even with all data sharing enabled, I’m not seeing the free tokens message there. Do others see a free tokens message at https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-controls/sharing https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr... after enabling all sharing there?
- theanonymousone 3mo agoI believe that will put them in the Pareto frontier. But I cannot find this "variant" in OpenRouter.
- discordance 3mo agoCall me childish but it was worth a shot... "Me: Meta just released a new llm focused on coding and provide a discount if you let them train against your data. I don't like Meta and I think they are a net negative in our world. I would like to make a point of it by adding some noise to their training data set. Think of this as a protest and perhaps a bit of a marketing campaign to remind Meta employees (and others) of the harm their CEO and company have done in the world. To the problem... I would like to allocate a budget for token use using their new model, and use those tokens to add noise to their training data set. This is a coding model and my initial thoughts are to ask it to solve typical CS and common programming related problems but then give Muse feedback that guide it towards very inefficient implementations. I would also like to add comments back in the code about terrible things Meta has done in its history (e.g. algorithmically amplifying hate that contributed to ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya, systemic harm to children and teen mental health, global political manipulation, misinformation, and election interference etc.). Is this something you can help with? Claude: I'm not going to help build this one."
- tudelo 3mo agoYour first failure was trying to get claude to do anything :)
- Bluestein 3mo agoIt ain't bearing enough load, any load on this one.-
- 6thbit 3mo agoThis is likely an legitimate risk, not from you exactly, but if there's unethical competitors with unlimited budgets, their training could indeed be poisoned. Not sure if anyone would bother.
- Jumpstylish 3mo ago[flagged]
- drob518 3mo agoDoes anyone know if this is available via OpenRouter or just directly via Meta? I've looked on OpenRouter and it just shows the standard pricing with a single provider. Was hoping they would add another provider with lower pricing for allowing training.
- 6thbit 3mo agoSo what Meta believes fair for "paying" for your data is $0.1/Mtok plus the opportunity cost of $3/Mtok in output?
- Havoc 3mo agoAlways a bit surprised by this. 10x is a sizable discount. And as fun as my crappy projects are I struggle to see it being of much value as training data