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I think this goes along way to explain people's very defensive reactions when you are skeptical about Agentic Development.
by LAC-Tech 2mo ago
I think this goes along way to explain people's very defensive reactions when you are skeptical about Agentic Development.
- qarl2 2mo agoI'm one of the people who gets accused of this. I don't mind skepticism. But every time I turn around, someone's claiming nobody gets any value from these tools and anyone who says otherwise is deluded or running a scam. That gets really old.
- LAC-Tech 2mo agoI can believe people get value out of them. I think I do. But "OH MY GOD EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED THE OLD WAY IS DEAD 10X MORE PRODUCTIVE" - no. If that were true, we'd notice it in the software all around us.
- qarl2 2mo agoI think we are noticing it. Are you not? I've shipped three software projects in the last two months. I shipped zero in the preceding year. Right now I'm building a system to decompile MAME ROM games into idiomatic JavaScript. It completes one game in about 3 days - complete with extensive commenting. I started it about 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure "EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED" but if you're not seeing dramatic change, I suspect you're not looking.
- Planktonne 2mo ago> if you're not seeing dramatic change, I suspect you're not looking If the people claiming that everything has changed were even a fraction as productive as they think, then it would be visible even to people who weren't looking. As it is, a lot of people are actively looking but still not seeing it.
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- Planktonne 2mo agoI'm pleased for you, but these tools have been out for many, many weeks, and there are many, many people claiming incredible productivity gains. Where's the rest of it?
- qarl2 2mo agoI just showed you something that would have been considered a miracle one year ago. And your response was "So what - show me another one."
- Planktonne 2mo agoI'm not disputing that it's a hard thing to do, but we had decompilers before; "miracle" is rather stretching it. Even granting that framing though, the claimed increase in productivity isn't a one-off, but asserted for everyone using them; you're claiming mass-produced miracles but trying to depend on a single example.
- qarl2 2mo ago> but we had decompilers before Cite one example of a decompiler that provides English names and comments.
- fragmede 2mo agoSnowboard kids 2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48284494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48284494 Silent Hill 1 PC https://youtu.be/0niadQJmYx0 https://youtu.be/0niadQJmYx0 Super Smash Bros/other GameCube and Wii games https://www.reddit.com/r/decomps/comments/1uvttvy/moderngekko_a_new_era_for_gamecube_and_wii_recomps/ https://www.reddit.com/r/decomps/comments/1uvttvy/moderngekk...
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- bigstrat2003 2mo ago> if you're not seeing dramatic change, I suspect you're not looking. Ironically, this is the inverse of the very thing you complained about people doing to you.
- qarl2 2mo agoExcept I'm providing evidence.
- xracy 2mo agoI'm seeing more examples of you saying you're providing evidence than of you actually providing evidence. So far I've heard a single anecdote about what you did. That's a pretty far cry from the "evidence" you claim to have dropped on multiple comments.
- qarl2 2mo agoLOL. Providing a counter example is far from just an anecdote.
- vhantz 2mo agoAn anecdote is an anecdote is an anecdote
- qarl2 2mo agoA proof isn't an anecdotal story. The claim was this is not possible. I show it happening. That's a proof. You're confused because the example is my own project. But I'm not merely describing it - I am giving you full access to it to confirm or reject my argument. Not anecdotal. Saying it three times does not make it true.
- chaps 2mo agoWhat things have you tried that didn't go well? At this point, that's more interesting. If you want to have a whack at a hard problem, have a try at the cryptographic puzzle in Noita if you want to see the silly failure modes of these systems. Lots of people have tried to solve it with AI and nothing's budged. If you can solve it, great.
- veqq 2mo ago> I think we are noticing it. Are you not? The software around us seems worse than ever, constantly breaking and significantly worse than 1-3 decades ago.
- LAC-Tech 2mo agoI think we are noticing it. Are you not? I am not. Congratulations on your side project.
- qarl2 2mo agoProjects, plural. And weren't you the one who started this complaining of nastiness?
- qarl2 2mo agoI'm sorry downvoters - it's true. In his opening statement he complained about nastiness and then became extremely nasty himself, when I had said nothing like that to him. Other than just disagree and provide evidence.
- sidrag22 2mo agoI've had one conversation that was sorta like this, it was around the time some kid kept releasing videos of him interacting with a very bad TTS gpt model or something and it would give very very bad answers confidently. Their frame of reference was that, and this was at a time when opus 4.5 was around. Hard to expect a reasonable conversation when one person has such a different view of what the tools are capable of.
- chrisjj 2mo ago> But every time I turn around, someone's claiming nobody gets any value from these tools Really? I find agreement that gullible users get something they value, even if it is worthless.
- artnanika 2mo agoThose are two different things. Chatgpt being sycophantic while playing the role of a therapist with a teenager is much different from Codex being sycophantic while reviewing user feedback. The former is extremely dangerous for society.
- LAC-Tech 2mo agoI make no societal judgments; just that the nastiness of the reactions I get suggests something more than technical choice is going on. I had one prominent "influencer" publicly challenge me to a coding competition over it. It was very weird.
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