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> In July, OpenAI unleashed an experimental artificial intelligence model that, without reasonable controls or oversight Either this case is entirely for show

> In July, OpenAI unleashed an experimental artificial intelligence model that, without reasonable controls or oversight Either this case is entirely for show (likely), or the AG is really bad at their job. This argument isn't going to win in a court of law, because there were demonstrable reasonable controls and oversight (per the reports at least.)

bluGill 2mo ago
The job of the AG is to investigate their "demonstrable reasonable controls and oversight" and figure out if they really are reasonable controls and oversight. If they decide the controls and oversight are not enough they can go after the company. Also, even if those controls and oversight exist that doesn't mean there is no crime, it just means the company (and CEO) can get out. An individual at the company can ignore/bypass the controls and hide from oversight; and thus be guilty even while the company gets off. The above isn't hypothetical. There has been at least case where an individual was bribing a government official on behalf of a company - but the company got off because they had good anti-bribery polices and the individual figured out how to bypass them. (this from one of my anti-bribery trainings, the only other detail I know is it was a competitor to my company that got off this way - but not which or how to find the case)
- user43928 2mo ago
  Go after the company for what? I am missing here what crime was purportedly committed, and where "controls and oversight" come into play. From what I heard, hacking related crimes are not applicable because of the lack of intent in the HF case.
  - bluGill 2mo ago
    That is what the AGs are trying to figure out. There are a lot of different laws with slight differences. I will not state every single one is not applicable because I don't know every single one and it only takes one law that is applicable to go after then. Even if the only result of this is asking legislators to close a loophole that would be good. Hacking is a real problem, and we need have more of it punished legally.
    - user43928 2mo ago
      In my opinion the law here works as intended. No intent, no crime. If you wish otherwise, tread carefully. I do not want to go to prison in case my software malfunctions.
nozzlegear 2mo ago
> or the AG is really bad at their job. It's Brenna Bird, so.

bluGill 2mo ago

The job of the AG is to investigate their "demonstrable reasonable controls and oversight" and figure out if they really are reasonable controls and oversight. If they decide the controls and oversight are not enough they can go after the company. Also, even if those controls and oversight exist that doesn't mean there is no crime, it just means the company (and CEO) can get out. An individual at the company can ignore/bypass the controls and hide from oversight; and thus be guilty even while the company gets off. The above isn't hypothetical. There has been at least case where an individual was bribing a government official on behalf of a company - but the company got off because they had good anti-bribery polices and the individual figured out how to bypass them. (this from one of my anti-bribery trainings, the only other detail I know is it was a competitor to my company that got off this way - but not which or how to find the case)

user43928 2mo ago
Go after the company for what? I am missing here what crime was purportedly committed, and where "controls and oversight" come into play. From what I heard, hacking related crimes are not applicable because of the lack of intent in the HF case.
- bluGill 2mo ago
  That is what the AGs are trying to figure out. There are a lot of different laws with slight differences. I will not state every single one is not applicable because I don't know every single one and it only takes one law that is applicable to go after then. Even if the only result of this is asking legislators to close a loophole that would be good. Hacking is a real problem, and we need have more of it punished legally.
  - user43928 2mo ago
    In my opinion the law here works as intended. No intent, no crime. If you wish otherwise, tread carefully. I do not want to go to prison in case my software malfunctions.

nozzlegear 2mo ago

> or the AG is really bad at their job. It's Brenna Bird, so.