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Firewall blocking is not the point. The point is, that over time through enshitiffication the new device will require call home to unlock. Even when it does not

Firewall blocking is not the point. The point is, that over time through enshitiffication the new device will require call home to unlock. Even when it does not need internet to work at all. But through this the vendor will get a foothold. Sure you can block it, but then you have a pricey paperweight. This is not unique to Thread/Matter, they can pull the rug on ZigBee as well, ofc.

homeonthemtn 2mo ago
The assumption of enshitification it that is receives updates. What you and a few others aren't understanding is that these don't need updates. These aren't Alexa or Google devices. They just get setup and passively work Now, will they eventually build devices that don't work like that? Maybe.
- jnovacho 2mo ago
  The enshitification I mean, applies to the new models. Once the current device dies, you need to replace it. And in the future, the offline devices might be no longer available, because they stopped being produced. And only new shittier ones are for sale.
  - Xerox9213 2mo ago
    A lot of companies have invested a lot into matter and thread. I’d be surprised if companies started requiring a call home to work. It doesn’t make sense to need that, since a thread network is, in a sense, offline by nature. Only the hub has access to the internet and it doesn’t require access to work, so having a device require a call home wouldn’t really make sense. I get that enshittification is a real thing but I’d be surprised if it affected smart home devices in the way you are describing.
  - afzalive 2mo ago
    Oh you're talking about a pretend device that this person with replace due to the pretend problem with their current device. So what's your solution to this problem?
  - zeratax 2mo ago
    i dont really understand the point. am i never going to buy any tech ever again, because most things tend toward enshitification?
close04 2mo ago
> through enshitiffication the new device will require call home to unlock I thought Matter certification demands that the device work without cloud connectivity, it's part of the spec. Being able to use any hub and have guaranteed basic functionality without the cloud is the big selling point. > This is not unique to Thread/Matter, they can pull the rug on ZigBee as well, ofc. Exactly. Enshittification can't be prevented with technical means, a manufacturer looking to rentseek can always do something shady to force your hand no matter the technology. These are by definition smart and connected devices, there are plenty of avenues for abuse. Philips tried to push an app update that required you to log in to an account to manage your Zigbee Hue hub and devices. They'll try again. Thread/Matter are on paper mostly good for the consumers but come with some potential drawbacks. No smart home technology eliminates these risks, they only balance different advantages and drawbacks. > but then you have a pricey paperweight. The device must work offline. You might lose some features though, usually the ones that are only supported via the proprietary app.

homeonthemtn 2mo ago

The assumption of enshitification it that is receives updates. What you and a few others aren't understanding is that these don't need updates. These aren't Alexa or Google devices. They just get setup and passively work Now, will they eventually build devices that don't work like that? Maybe.

jnovacho 2mo ago
The enshitification I mean, applies to the new models. Once the current device dies, you need to replace it. And in the future, the offline devices might be no longer available, because they stopped being produced. And only new shittier ones are for sale.
- Xerox9213 2mo ago
  A lot of companies have invested a lot into matter and thread. I’d be surprised if companies started requiring a call home to work. It doesn’t make sense to need that, since a thread network is, in a sense, offline by nature. Only the hub has access to the internet and it doesn’t require access to work, so having a device require a call home wouldn’t really make sense. I get that enshittification is a real thing but I’d be surprised if it affected smart home devices in the way you are describing.
- afzalive 2mo ago
  Oh you're talking about a pretend device that this person with replace due to the pretend problem with their current device. So what's your solution to this problem?
- zeratax 2mo ago
  i dont really understand the point. am i never going to buy any tech ever again, because most things tend toward enshitification?

close04 2mo ago

> through enshitiffication the new device will require call home to unlock I thought Matter certification demands that the device work without cloud connectivity, it's part of the spec. Being able to use any hub and have guaranteed basic functionality without the cloud is the big selling point. > This is not unique to Thread/Matter, they can pull the rug on ZigBee as well, ofc. Exactly. Enshittification can't be prevented with technical means, a manufacturer looking to rentseek can always do something shady to force your hand no matter the technology. These are by definition smart and connected devices, there are plenty of avenues for abuse. Philips tried to push an app update that required you to log in to an account to manage your Zigbee Hue hub and devices. They'll try again. Thread/Matter are on paper mostly good for the consumers but come with some potential drawbacks. No smart home technology eliminates these risks, they only balance different advantages and drawbacks. > but then you have a pricey paperweight. The device must work offline. You might lose some features though, usually the ones that are only supported via the proprietary app.