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A lot of graphs where OpenThread & zigbee dance around each other, are within 2x of each other. Two huge notables to me: message throughput for openthreads sca

A lot of graphs where OpenThread & zigbee dance around each other, are within 2x of each other. Two huge notables to me: message throughput for openthreads scales up, zigbee seems to hit a wall early. Not sure when that matters but very clear. The last table was a fright through: it takes half a minute for OpenThreads to recover after a node drops where-as Zigbee a quarter second! Wow.

richwater 3mo ago
Is there a situation in which your smarthome taking 30s to recover from a node failure is impacting your life? Seems like a distinction without a difference
- 4chandaily 3mo ago
  Standing outside with an armfull of groceries, and a door is now our of range of your hub temporarily due to the failed node. 30s can seem like quite a while standing in the rain.
  - AlotOfReading 3mo ago
    Not exactly a strong argument if you need like 5 qualifications to demonstrate the issue. If the right node fails, if it happens right as you walk up, if it's raining, if your porch is uncovered, if your door doesn't have an immediate fallback... I'm sure someone will be affected because of the law of large numbers, but it seems like an unlikely scenario to base a purchasing decision on.
    - codeflo 3mo ago
      A light switch not working for 30 seconds, or a door not opening for 30 seconds, even if only sporadically, is a significant loss of life quality, no qualifiers needed.
      - NekkoDroid 3mo ago
        > A light switch not working for 30 seconds, or a door not opening for 30 seconds I dunno if its just me, but having a manual override for such important/basic stuff is kind of a must for me. As much as I enjoy smart home stuff, having anything critical only available via that is just stupid.
- alexjurkiewicz 3mo ago
  Because IOT devices are cheap and networks are ad hoc, flaky connectivity is a likely occurrence. Thread must be reliable in these situations.
- denkmoon 3mo ago
  Do you have any smarthome stuff? Standing around waiting 30 seconds for your light to come on would be moronic. A complete regression over the electric switch invented in 1884. I'd rip everything out right then and there. Your home should be reliable, smart or no.
  - 8-prime 3mo ago
    Whilst I agree a smart home offers some benefits that your 1884 switch simply cannot match. And the cruicial point is that the 30 seconds are the worst case situation where something went wrong on the network. Its not the usual operational experience you'll get. For me, having to wait 30 seconds once every blue moon is a tradeoff I'm willing to make.
  - diffeomorphism 3mo ago
    Buttons etc. have direct binding. So even if your hub goes up in flames those will just keep working. The automated stuff like "starting at sunrise gradually adjust the lights" might be delayed by 30 seconds. Annoying but hardly rage inducing.
- solarkraft 3mo ago
  Oh, absolutely. That is the hot path.

richwater 3mo ago

Is there a situation in which your smarthome taking 30s to recover from a node failure is impacting your life? Seems like a distinction without a difference

4chandaily 3mo ago
Standing outside with an armfull of groceries, and a door is now our of range of your hub temporarily due to the failed node. 30s can seem like quite a while standing in the rain.
- AlotOfReading 3mo ago
  Not exactly a strong argument if you need like 5 qualifications to demonstrate the issue. If the right node fails, if it happens right as you walk up, if it's raining, if your porch is uncovered, if your door doesn't have an immediate fallback... I'm sure someone will be affected because of the law of large numbers, but it seems like an unlikely scenario to base a purchasing decision on.
  - codeflo 3mo ago
    A light switch not working for 30 seconds, or a door not opening for 30 seconds, even if only sporadically, is a significant loss of life quality, no qualifiers needed.
    - NekkoDroid 3mo ago
      > A light switch not working for 30 seconds, or a door not opening for 30 seconds I dunno if its just me, but having a manual override for such important/basic stuff is kind of a must for me. As much as I enjoy smart home stuff, having anything critical only available via that is just stupid.
alexjurkiewicz 3mo ago
Because IOT devices are cheap and networks are ad hoc, flaky connectivity is a likely occurrence. Thread must be reliable in these situations.
denkmoon 3mo ago
Do you have any smarthome stuff? Standing around waiting 30 seconds for your light to come on would be moronic. A complete regression over the electric switch invented in 1884. I'd rip everything out right then and there. Your home should be reliable, smart or no.
- 8-prime 3mo ago
  Whilst I agree a smart home offers some benefits that your 1884 switch simply cannot match. And the cruicial point is that the 30 seconds are the worst case situation where something went wrong on the network. Its not the usual operational experience you'll get. For me, having to wait 30 seconds once every blue moon is a tradeoff I'm willing to make.
- diffeomorphism 3mo ago
  Buttons etc. have direct binding. So even if your hub goes up in flames those will just keep working. The automated stuff like "starting at sunrise gradually adjust the lights" might be delayed by 30 seconds. Annoying but hardly rage inducing.
solarkraft 3mo ago
Oh, absolutely. That is the hot path.