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> ... If JavaScript is required to view more content than this, why? By "asked people to mow it" they're talking about the visitors to the site. It's interact

> ... If JavaScript is required to view more content than this, why? By "asked people to mow it" they're talking about the visitors to the site. It's interactive. It's somewhat a mistake not to have "skip to results" in the actual html. On the other hand, it makes sense they want to force people to see the landing page first. And unless they want to add a whole rendered fallback the results page isn't going to be super functional without javascript.

zahlman 3mo ago
Without JavaScript, there is literally no page text beyond that point until the footer. Thee is no indication that there would be any interactive content. There is also no discussion of what the interactive content demonstrates after it. There are no "results" to which a "skip to results" could skip.
- Dylan16807 3mo ago
  Yeah I know. But "literally no page text" is only missing a couple words. The correct version is super short. The noscript version needs a button and a big box with an X. And even then the button would only be half-functional so I understand skipping it. It mostly just needs a "missing content" warning.
  - zahlman 3mo ago
    I don't follow. The title says "why some people mow a lawn better than others". Presumably, through getting people to play some interactive demo, they got some insight into the answer to that. Why can't they just use text to communicate that insight to me, instead of expecting me to go through the same demo? Why is there not any text after the demo describing the lesson learned? Or before, for that matter?
    - Dylan16807 3mo ago
      There is text after it. But you have to click the button to get there. The button is the main broken part without javascript. But like I said "the button would only be half-functional so I understand skipping it".
      - zahlman 3mo ago
        No, there is not "text after it". There is also no button. https://files.catbox.moe/8nxbo5.png https://files.catbox.moe/8nxbo5.png The logos at the bottom are images from the page footer.
        Dylan16807 3mo ago
        > No, there is not "text after it". Read the next sentence. You have to click the button to get there. > There is also no button. I keep saying the button is broken and I says it needs to show up on noscript. How can I be clearer?
        zahlman 3mo ago
        > How can I be clearer? You can try understanding that it is not acceptable for the page to look like this with JavaScript disabled. There is no good reason why the "next sentence" can't just appear on the page, using the same technology (HTML) that the opening paragraph uses.
- frou_dh 3mo ago
  We get it, you're really proud that you choose to disable JavaScript, and need to let everyone know about it
  - zahlman 3mo ago
    It is not "pride". It is a constant annoyance that web site authors feel entitled to run their code on my machine, for purposes where it's egregiously unnecessary.
    - Dylan16807 3mo ago
      > egregiously unnecessary So are you going to admit your initial reaction was wrong here? Despite how this page could be improved (a warning and a partial conclusions view with javascript off), the core purpose of the javascript is to let you play the game and watch replays, something that is very basic automation and impractical to do without code.
      - zahlman 3mo ago
        It is egregiously unnecessary to expect me to play the game in order to present the finding. Or even discuss the finding. I will not admit my reaction was wrong, because it was not wrong. If a submission is titled "Why some people mow a lawn better than others", it is completely reasonable to expect a JavaScript-disabled version of the page to display text which describes why some people mow a lawn better than others. I did not click the submission title to watch replays, or even simple media animations. I clicked it expecting a theory of lawn-mowing to be conveyed.
        Dylan16807 3mo ago
        You are allowed to skip the game. But offering it is not egregiously unnecessary. The javascript, while flawed, is there for a valid reason. > I did not click the submission title to watch replays, or even simple media animations. I clicked it expecting a theory of lawn-mowing to be conveyed. They use the replays to convey it. Insisting on pure text is another layer of unreasonable insistence on how to do things.

zahlman 3mo ago

Without JavaScript, there is literally no page text beyond that point until the footer. Thee is no indication that there would be any interactive content. There is also no discussion of what the interactive content demonstrates after it. There are no "results" to which a "skip to results" could skip.

Dylan16807 3mo ago
Yeah I know. But "literally no page text" is only missing a couple words. The correct version is super short. The noscript version needs a button and a big box with an X. And even then the button would only be half-functional so I understand skipping it. It mostly just needs a "missing content" warning.
- zahlman 3mo ago
  I don't follow. The title says "why some people mow a lawn better than others". Presumably, through getting people to play some interactive demo, they got some insight into the answer to that. Why can't they just use text to communicate that insight to me, instead of expecting me to go through the same demo? Why is there not any text after the demo describing the lesson learned? Or before, for that matter?
  - Dylan16807 3mo ago
    There is text after it. But you have to click the button to get there. The button is the main broken part without javascript. But like I said "the button would only be half-functional so I understand skipping it".
    - zahlman 3mo ago
      No, there is not "text after it". There is also no button. https://files.catbox.moe/8nxbo5.png https://files.catbox.moe/8nxbo5.png The logos at the bottom are images from the page footer.
      - Dylan16807 3mo ago
        > No, there is not "text after it". Read the next sentence. You have to click the button to get there. > There is also no button. I keep saying the button is broken and I says it needs to show up on noscript. How can I be clearer?
        zahlman 3mo ago
        > How can I be clearer? You can try understanding that it is not acceptable for the page to look like this with JavaScript disabled. There is no good reason why the "next sentence" can't just appear on the page, using the same technology (HTML) that the opening paragraph uses.
frou_dh 3mo ago
We get it, you're really proud that you choose to disable JavaScript, and need to let everyone know about it
- zahlman 3mo ago
  It is not "pride". It is a constant annoyance that web site authors feel entitled to run their code on my machine, for purposes where it's egregiously unnecessary.
  - Dylan16807 3mo ago
    > egregiously unnecessary So are you going to admit your initial reaction was wrong here? Despite how this page could be improved (a warning and a partial conclusions view with javascript off), the core purpose of the javascript is to let you play the game and watch replays, something that is very basic automation and impractical to do without code.
    - zahlman 3mo ago
      It is egregiously unnecessary to expect me to play the game in order to present the finding. Or even discuss the finding. I will not admit my reaction was wrong, because it was not wrong. If a submission is titled "Why some people mow a lawn better than others", it is completely reasonable to expect a JavaScript-disabled version of the page to display text which describes why some people mow a lawn better than others. I did not click the submission title to watch replays, or even simple media animations. I clicked it expecting a theory of lawn-mowing to be conveyed.
      - Dylan16807 3mo ago
        You are allowed to skip the game. But offering it is not egregiously unnecessary. The javascript, while flawed, is there for a valid reason. > I did not click the submission title to watch replays, or even simple media animations. I clicked it expecting a theory of lawn-mowing to be conveyed. They use the replays to convey it. Insisting on pure text is another layer of unreasonable insistence on how to do things.