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Bac Ho took back the country he liberated from the french, renamed the capital city, instituted a communist regime that held its own against china.

• firesteelrain 2mo ago
  That establishes that North Vietnam defeated South Vietnam. It doesn’t establish that North Vietnam defeated the US military.
  • orwin 2mo ago
    It wasn't a win for the US military. They spent 20 years in south Vietnam, trying to keep it independent, and ultimately failed. Their stated goal was south Vietnam independence and stopping the spread of communism. Both were failed goals. War is a continuation of politics, and here, the US lost politically (in Laos first) even if they didn't loose strategically. But let's be honest, multiple times they got their asses kicked on the field too (Unless you think logistics don't matter for an army).
    • firesteelrain 2mo ago
      It was a win for the US military. I agree the political objective ultimately failed. My point is that political failure is not the same thing as military defeat. The US withdrew; South Vietnam was defeated two years later.
      • orwin 2mo ago
        Which military objective did the US accomplish in their "win"? Did they won on the battlefield? Do you consider the Korea war a win for the US military too? And if not, what is the difference with the vietnam war? I'm pretty sure we have different definition of what a win is, but i would like to understand your point of view, genuinely.
        • firesteelrain 2mo ago
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