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To me, this looks like OpenAI is terrified and tries to come out ahead of the public opinion to control the narrative. Such a shit company. They built their wh

by int_x 2mo ago

To me, this looks like OpenAI is terrified and tries to come out ahead of the public opinion to control the narrative. Such a shit company. They built their whole business model on stolen data and act surprised when another company has zero trust in them. Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all.

gr_norm 2mo ago
Yeah, based on their track record (I mean, even their name is a bad joke at this point) I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out there's downsides to conducting yourself with little integrity.
- sandeepkd 2mo ago
  > Apple now tries to shift the blame to “residual access”, but they also don’t disclose that this is a common issue with Apple which is caused by them failing to properly manage system access when people leave. I have been fixated on this topic for some time. Most people behave in a regulated and lawful manner to be on safer side. They do not trespass into some ones home just cause the owner happened to leave the door open. Companies are using LLMs to hack into other organizations and giving it a spin about agent escaping the sand box. I am surprised how the impacted organizations are not filing lawsuits for damages unless they themselves have something to hide, (probably their reputation). Interestingly from what I remember there is a law that binds the public companies to reveal any intrusion, unless I am missing the names of impacted companies by LLM agent great escape has not been revealed fully.
  - jtfrench 2mo ago
    Hugging Face straight up asked for $100M in compute or something from OpenAI in response to the hack, if I remember correctly.
    - sandeepkd 2mo ago
      The messaging is what questionable here. This just opens up the door to commit hacks openly if other party has not secured properly. The definition of being a bad actor gets diluted here.
Utilera 2mo ago
Two things can be true: OpenAI can be an aggressive company with serious credibility problems, and Apple can still have handled this case carelessly
- beaned 2mo ago
  Such reason deprives people of the passion to take sides and argue emotionally.
- robertjpayne 2mo ago
  You can carelessly leave employee access on the confidential and private company data and in nearly all cases depending on employment agreement it will be against the law to share that data after your employment It doesn't sound to me like Apple is pursuing individuals that merely had company data on their computers but rather these individuals then went on to share said data with other individuals.
truncate 2mo ago
>> Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all. Their track record, and the narcissistic tone where they talk so confidently about how they are morally superior companies than others, and all they care about is public good.
pizzaballs 2mo ago
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yyaakkqq 2mo ago
It would be a wild defense strategy to make the point that "apple is bad at locking doors for ex-employees" (the argument to save the employee) to save them from hiring one of those ex-employers just to use his key.

by int_x 2mo ago

gr_norm 2mo ago

Yeah, based on their track record (I mean, even their name is a bad joke at this point) I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out there's downsides to conducting yourself with little integrity.

sandeepkd 2mo ago
> Apple now tries to shift the blame to “residual access”, but they also don’t disclose that this is a common issue with Apple which is caused by them failing to properly manage system access when people leave. I have been fixated on this topic for some time. Most people behave in a regulated and lawful manner to be on safer side. They do not trespass into some ones home just cause the owner happened to leave the door open. Companies are using LLMs to hack into other organizations and giving it a spin about agent escaping the sand box. I am surprised how the impacted organizations are not filing lawsuits for damages unless they themselves have something to hide, (probably their reputation). Interestingly from what I remember there is a law that binds the public companies to reveal any intrusion, unless I am missing the names of impacted companies by LLM agent great escape has not been revealed fully.
- jtfrench 2mo ago
  Hugging Face straight up asked for $100M in compute or something from OpenAI in response to the hack, if I remember correctly.
  - sandeepkd 2mo ago
    The messaging is what questionable here. This just opens up the door to commit hacks openly if other party has not secured properly. The definition of being a bad actor gets diluted here.

Utilera 2mo ago

Two things can be true: OpenAI can be an aggressive company with serious credibility problems, and Apple can still have handled this case carelessly

beaned 2mo ago
Such reason deprives people of the passion to take sides and argue emotionally.
robertjpayne 2mo ago
You can carelessly leave employee access on the confidential and private company data and in nearly all cases depending on employment agreement it will be against the law to share that data after your employment It doesn't sound to me like Apple is pursuing individuals that merely had company data on their computers but rather these individuals then went on to share said data with other individuals.

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>> Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all. Their track record, and the narcissistic tone where they talk so confidently about how they are morally superior companies than others, and all they care about is public good.

pizzaballs 2mo ago

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yyaakkqq 2mo ago

It would be a wild defense strategy to make the point that "apple is bad at locking doors for ex-employees" (the argument to save the employee) to save them from hiring one of those ex-employers just to use his key.