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And what does taking it seriously entail?
by c7b 2mo ago
And what does taking it seriously entail?
- kypro 2mo ago[flagged]
- ghjkghjkghj 2mo agoThere are some genuinely insane takes in this thread on both sides but this takes the cake.
- iwontberude 2mo agoThat's because its satire, the tell was "not excluding targeted military strikes"
- ghjkghjkghj 2mo agoGonna say the edit they made removes the satire possibility.
- kypro 2mo agoNot satire, but as you can see one is engaging in good faith and everyone is either engaging in character attacks or low-effort counters. It's fine, and I'm very used to this, but if you want to have a dialogue I'd be very happy to. I'm a very reasonable and sane person outside of apparently holding some controversial views on AI risk =) I'd love to know why you think what I said was insane?
- cubefox 2mo agoA few years ago the majority of Hacker News dismissed LLMs as not much more than stochastic parrots who were decades away from doing any serious work, autonomously escaping containment and hacking Hugging Face, or outperforming most professional mathematicians at proving theorems. These things were labeled "insane" and "science fiction" despite the rapid progress we had already seen. Now you are again postulating that there would be no more extreme progress in the near future. That's actually more "insane".
- GPerson 2mo agoBeing right about the thing that’s genocides all culture and likely worse isn’t such a great thing to brag about, but go ahead.
- kaonwarb 2mo agoWhat makes you think separate nations would effectively cooperate in this way?
- kypro 2mo agoMight as well try, no? Or do you think it's better we just risk it? I mean it's not like the West has any hard or soft power to encourage cooperation.
- lkey 2mo agoYour 'serious' proposal is unlimited global military bombing campaign on civilian infrastructure by the United States (which is currently losing a war using the same strategy) to 'solve safety' preemptively against a 20% number you just made up? And you accuse the 'other side' of 'suicidal apathy'?? You should put down the AI and do some self-reflection on how you came to hold these views.
- armchairhacker 2mo agoGP said cooperation, never implied the US would do it alone.
- deaton 2mo agoIf the thesis that "If anybody builds it, everyone dies" is true, or has any chance of becoming true, then it is the logical thing to do. As Geoffrey Hinton said, "If you want to know what it's like not to be the apex intelligence, ask a chicken."
- lkey 2mo agoIt is not 'logical' to imagine a hypothetical doomsday scenario that justifies a preemptive nuclear war. (which is what the grandparent commenter's bio contemplates, 'nuke the datacenters' is their central credo). Does it bother you that the people who are publicly cocksure that P(doom) is moments away are the same people that have profited most handsomely from that pronouncement? That the 'humanists' that want to do 'altruism' for 'potential future humans' and are the same people that commit fraud and theft at a civilizational scale, then sell this 'intelligence' to any child-incinerating militaries with spare cash? It's not wrong to want to do good, but if a system that is branded 'do (the most) good' commits great evils, you are morally and intellectually obligated to step back and reconsider how you are spending your time. Also, I asked a chicken and a feral rock dove what it's like to be not be 'apex' and they burbled at me and kept eating millet and sunflower seeds. Would you like me to follow up with them? I'm not sure what point you expected them to make.
- cubefox 2mo ago
- armchairhacker 2mo agoYou’re not necessarily wrong, but math proofs aren’t going to unify today’s brainrotted population.
- addaon 2mo ago> "probably only 20% chance we all die" Bad news for you -- there's a 100% chance we all die. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
- cubefox 2mo agoLogical mistake. There is a difference between every human dying eventually and humanity going extinct. The former doesn't imply the latter. The previous commenter clearly meant the latter.
- DarmokJalad1701 2mo agoNo.
- bigyabai 2mo ago> We are now at the point where RSI is feasible What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. - Hitchen's Razor
- apetresc 2mo agoThe evidence is abundant and nearly impossible to ignore without increasingly focused effort.
- kypro 2mo agoDid you read the article? AI is a math & computer science problem. If AI can do advanced maths and computer science research, then it can begin to suggest useful algorithmic optimisations. Right now I'm sure the vast majority of these will be junk, but occasionally, even with current limitations, they might occasionally stumble on something. It's not really whether RSI is or isn't possible, it's really just whether it's the most efficient way for labs to improve their models today given they have limited compute to run AI-generated experiments and access to very intelligent humans who might have a better hit/miss ratio. Do you disagree with anything I'm saying here? Do you not think current AIs can suggest algorithmic improvements or something?
- Chance-Device 2mo agoIn the near term handling the transition. Jobs will be lost, careers ended, people won’t be able to reskill quickly enough. At the same time AI is an enormous opportunity to uplift living standards, but nobody has the logistics of this figured out. We need to figure out how to restructure the global economy. How does UBI work internationally, if the AI companies are taking revenue in the US? What’s the tax base for it? What does that say about international trade and protectionism? Do countries end up splitting into different trading blocks based on their level of access and legality of AI (I assume some will ban it outright)?. How does intellectual property work in an AI generated future? What about healthcare advances, who gets to own those? What about meaning, what about purpose? How do we replace the work ethic that tells us we are our jobs and idleness is immoral? How do you replace “What do you do?” As one of the first questions you ask a new person? That sort of thing.
- GolfPopper 2mo ago[flagged]
- striking 2mo agoI think this too is a kind of denial. As in, while some are in denial about the usefulness of AI, others are in denial about whose living standards are actually going to be uplifted. And it's sad, really, because I think these two groups would make a great pairing if they could stop arguing against one another for a moment. They'll both be impacted about as much and probably have the same ultimate goals (to lead dignified lives). But it seems these days everyone is more interested in Kayfabe and feeling like they're in the right than working together, so maybe I should just keep quiet rather than attract the ire of both groups...
- throwaway0123_5 2mo ago> others are in denial about whose living standards are actually going to be uplifted. I don't know if it is fair to say they're in denial. For my part, I don't expect life to get much better for regular people (especially short term), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't work to try to make it happen.
- logicchains 2mo agoRealistically it means trying to start a small business of some sort, because AI is hugely advantageous to business owners and disadvantageous to workers. And it's something AIs can't do unless they get legal personhood, which may well not happen any time soon.
- GPerson 2mo agoHopefully doesn’t ever happen, since that’s one of the more plausible omnicide scenarios. I human like AI is almost certainly achievable without much research effort at this point, but we shouldn’t do it.
- twister2920 2mo ago[dead]
- WarmWash 2mo agoThe human zoo where the top ~250,000k humans live in a "human utopia" and the AI provides while mostly focusing on whatever it decides it's own goals are. Humanity survives (but we reading this probably don't), the AI treats the living humans like the Emperor's favorite pets (probably a pretty good life), and then the AI does whatever else it deems important.
- waffletower 2mo ago[dead]
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- mofeien 2mo agoTo what kind of goal that an ASI might decide to pursue would "a quarter billion happy, healthy, free people" be the most efficient solution to?
- WarmWash 2mo agoMy mistake, I meant 250k*