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I've said it before and I'll say it again, human directors are still valuable, as they use AI video editing tools to generate the shots they want and put them t

I've said it before and I'll say it again, human directors are still valuable, as they use AI video editing tools to generate the shots they want and put them together in a cohesive way. Previously they might've used film and actors but if they can just prompt the AI (or create workflows as seen with ComfyUI) then they arrange them together just like how an EDM producer doesn't actually play the instruments but instead the creativity is in the arrangement. I suspect it'll be quite a while until AI gets a good enough aesthetic sense to do this, as even with static HTML websites humans can easily see that it's AI slop.

ilaksh 2mo ago
Seedance 2.5 just came out and it is incredible，significantly better than this for a lot of cases. This one is the latest _free_ video generator. But as far as your composition tools, they are already available.
unleaded 2mo ago
or option 2 we'll keep making productions with film and actors. I get it's easy to feel that it's all over with how good these video models are getting but thinking we'll all be slaves to the slop machine once it gets good enough is pretty pessimistic depressing and IMO unlikely. (I do think it will get a foothold in the "crap people are ashamed to admit they watch" sector though, which it basically already has)
- satvikpendem 2mo ago
  Just like there are still plays even though movies overtook them as the main form of entertainment with acting, so too will AI generation overtake movies with real people. It's simply cheaper and more freeform creatively to use AI so expect that to be the future.
  - unleaded 2mo ago
    The fundamental difference between AI and all the previous advances like that is that people actually liked and wanted films, synchronized sound, color, CGI, etc. and queued down the block for them. Same thing with electronic music, people enjoy listening to it. Not really the same thing with AI, most of the praise is about the impact it will have on the production process, cost-effectiveness, etc., what actually comes out tends to take the back seat. From what we've seen it's pretty difficult getting people to like the output as well.
    - satvikpendem 2mo ago
      You should read up on the history of each of those, they all had major protesters until everyone acclimated. So too for AI media in a decade or two. We already have people talking to their AI girl and boyfriends, it's not a big leap to think it'll be normalized.
      - unleaded 2mo ago
        of course they had critics, that's kind of what my point is addressing. but we didn't have to wait years for society to potentially acclimate to those previous advancements, they had an overwhelming proportion of fans on day one. and not sure what ai boy/girlfriends have to do with anything
        satvikpendem 2mo ago
        We did in fact have to wait years for them to be accepted, such as photography in the art world, as I said I suggest you read up more heavily on their history. I brought up AI girlfriends as an example of such normalization of AI already occuring. As well, even for AI slop there are fans, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_Love_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_Love_Island. Just because you or I aren't fans does not mean they do not exist or are unknown.
yieldcrv 2mo ago
outdated take there are sequencing AI that will edit case in point, the entire SaaS multimedia space has pivoted this year to agentic workflows, as in, no more generating AI for that sensitive audience, but instead automating the human work of editing and compositing of real media if you so happen to supply generative media it will form a cohesive edit of that too also website slop is distinct from the AI generated sites that blend in. you only notice the ones that don’t.
- satvikpendem 2mo ago
  I'm familiar with the space, my point is it's still not as good, in the same way that AI generated webpages are still not as good. Cohesion is the main issue, usually AI generates too many disparate elements.

ilaksh 2mo ago

Seedance 2.5 just came out and it is incredible，significantly better than this for a lot of cases. This one is the latest _free_ video generator. But as far as your composition tools, they are already available.

unleaded 2mo ago

or option 2 we'll keep making productions with film and actors. I get it's easy to feel that it's all over with how good these video models are getting but thinking we'll all be slaves to the slop machine once it gets good enough is pretty pessimistic depressing and IMO unlikely. (I do think it will get a foothold in the "crap people are ashamed to admit they watch" sector though, which it basically already has)

satvikpendem 2mo ago
Just like there are still plays even though movies overtook them as the main form of entertainment with acting, so too will AI generation overtake movies with real people. It's simply cheaper and more freeform creatively to use AI so expect that to be the future.
- unleaded 2mo ago
  The fundamental difference between AI and all the previous advances like that is that people actually liked and wanted films, synchronized sound, color, CGI, etc. and queued down the block for them. Same thing with electronic music, people enjoy listening to it. Not really the same thing with AI, most of the praise is about the impact it will have on the production process, cost-effectiveness, etc., what actually comes out tends to take the back seat. From what we've seen it's pretty difficult getting people to like the output as well.
  - satvikpendem 2mo ago
    You should read up on the history of each of those, they all had major protesters until everyone acclimated. So too for AI media in a decade or two. We already have people talking to their AI girl and boyfriends, it's not a big leap to think it'll be normalized.
    - unleaded 2mo ago
      of course they had critics, that's kind of what my point is addressing. but we didn't have to wait years for society to potentially acclimate to those previous advancements, they had an overwhelming proportion of fans on day one. and not sure what ai boy/girlfriends have to do with anything
      - satvikpendem 2mo ago
        We did in fact have to wait years for them to be accepted, such as photography in the art world, as I said I suggest you read up more heavily on their history. I brought up AI girlfriends as an example of such normalization of AI already occuring. As well, even for AI slop there are fans, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_Love_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_Love_Island. Just because you or I aren't fans does not mean they do not exist or are unknown.

yieldcrv 2mo ago

outdated take there are sequencing AI that will edit case in point, the entire SaaS multimedia space has pivoted this year to agentic workflows, as in, no more generating AI for that sensitive audience, but instead automating the human work of editing and compositing of real media if you so happen to supply generative media it will form a cohesive edit of that too also website slop is distinct from the AI generated sites that blend in. you only notice the ones that don’t.

satvikpendem 2mo ago
I'm familiar with the space, my point is it's still not as good, in the same way that AI generated webpages are still not as good. Cohesion is the main issue, usually AI generates too many disparate elements.