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German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe
- CrzyLngPwd 3mo ago[flagged]
- dev_l1x_be 3mo agoWelcome to Germany? The best part is the drone situation. Both parties are buying from China.
- lysace 3mo agoIt is indeed an accurate description. I live in a neighboring country. Germany's energy failure costs me the equivalent of about an entry level Macbook Pro every year. I don't have kind words for SPD/Die Grünen in specific, or, to be frank, Germany in general.
- tcfhgj 3mo ago> I don't have kind words for SPD/Die Grünen in specific, or, to be frank, Germany in general. because they've governed Germany for the past decades ... wait ... they have not?
- lysace 3mo agoGerhard Schröder, German social democrat/SPD and later Putin associate.
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoSPD has been part of almost every government formed since the WWII
- ahartmetz 3mo agoOh no, not at all. When CDU and SPD were both very strong (until about 2005-2010), they never once had a coalition, and CDU won elections more often than SPD.
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoYeah right, Willy Brandt and Helmut Schmidt are from CDU
- ahartmetz 3mo agoKonrad Adenauer, Ludwig Erhard, Kurt Georg Kiesinger and Helmut Kohl were CDU chancellors without SPD for a total of 36 years. Merkel had one election period out of four without SPD, so there was a total of 40 years of no SPD. That is much longer than "almost never" for a country that is about 80 years old. There were SPD chancellors for 24 years total, CDU the rest. German politics have been traditionally mostly CDU dominated.
- eska 3mo agoOut of the last 28 years they have spent only 4 in the opposition. SPD together with CDU are the two major parties shaping Germany. As opposition they also always had a majority veto right.
- zelphirkalt 3mo agoWell, what did we expect from the clowns we elected, when few of them ever worked an actual job? Election after election, we are voting for the same incompetent corrupt people. Really what do we expect? And what do we expect to happen, when we elect the very people, who time and time again lied to use for decades? Also thanks to all retirees, who fill their ballot papers with the mindset of: "I always voted for them!". I guess we have had a good run for far too long, so that complacency is finally catching up with us. The only sad thing is, that many people, who deserved better have to suffer for it. But lets not be too sad about some middle management being let go. They are often part of the problem. Let us rather be sad about educated and capable people losing their jobs and dropping into a very difficult job market, which they might not recover from.
- grg0 3mo agoBut do they dual-wield?
- superhuzza 3mo agoYeah, the title is worded quite oddly.
- emsign 3mo agoOnly handaxes.
- grg0 3mo agoGoing for the extra crit chance.
- hn_throwaway_99 3mo agohttps://archive.vn/uomrZ https://archive.vn/uomrZ
- Triaengle 3mo ago[dead]
- rwmj 3mo agoNot a scientific study, but here in the UK where we don't have tariffs against Chinese car manufacturers, there are loads of electric BYDs and Jaecoos (the "Temu Range Rover") driving around recently.
- est31 3mo agoYeah with China pumping state subventions into car manufacturing, they can outcompete any car manufacturer anywhere in the world. The leading battery technology is in Asia anyways. The German car industry will not die completely, as the EU can protect its market from chinese manufacturers through regulation. But it will shrink and transform. Probably also back to fossil fuels (yuck), because there the Germans still have a lead (they are trailing with EVs). Germany's new hot industry is defense technology.
- rwmj 3mo agoThey're also making cars that people want to buy for a price they can afford. Toyota aren't making any cars I want to buy (at any price).
- nradov 3mo agoAnd yet the Toyota RAV4 hybrid is selling so fast in the USA that customers can barely find one at a dealership.
- seabird 3mo agoAt least in the US, Toyota is wildly successful across every segment. The RAV4, Camry, Corolla, and Tacoma do massive numbers, even though the compact and midsize sedan market is collapsing. Even niche offerings like the GR Corolla can be challenging to procure from a dealer. The Toyota Tax in the used market is unbelievable. For a huge number of people, there is no manufacturer that gets even close to the same amount of respect that Toyota does. Their victory was so overwhelming that it permanently changed how manufacturing is done and an entire generation of prideful Americans will readily admit that the Big Three were on the back foot in the 80s and 90s. Not to say that China isn’t capable of something similar, but you do have to understand that your tastes/value assessments are very much not representative of the sizable US market on the whole if you would seriously take a Sentra over a Corolla, or an Equinox over a RAV4. The calculus may be a bit different in the European market, of course.
- emsign 3mo agoAt least I hope they leave the corporate culture baggage that has ruined the German car industry behind and do not transplant it into other companies. In which you stick to your old guns and hope that politics protects you with tariffs against any future developments from international competitors on the car market. (It failed. Now the Chinese make better cars than the Germans.)
- inigyou 3mo agoThere is no chance that they will leave it behind.
- nxm 3mo ago[flagged]
- chewz 3mo agoIf by heavy subsidies you mean - encouraging internal competition, securing cheap energy and educating thousands of engineers then yes, Chinese cars are subsidized. If by heavy subsidies you mean pocketing 150 billions of dollars from EU R&D budget for innovation that have never happened then no, Chinese cars manufacturers are not subsidized.
- illiac786 3mo agoI‘m interested in reading about the 150 billions. Do you have a good source?
- netsharc 3mo agoCredit Suisse went down 2 years ago in Switzerland, flooding the market with finance and IT people...
- dredmorbius 3mo agoI didn't realise that the firm no longer existed, but yes: "UBS Completes Historic Takeover as Credit Suisse Ends" (May 31, 2024) <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-31/ubs-completes-historic-takeover-as-credit-suisse-ceases-to-exist https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-31/ubs-compl...>
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoI remember seeing a video that labels these people as doing bullshit jobs. As an example in UPS the people that actually delivers the packages are the ones doing the real work. However between those workers and CEO there are like ten or more levels of management and all those people just sitting at an office doing basically nothing. Same with VW or with any other traditional German company. Sometimes to justify their job they would create problems that doesn’t exist and come up with a solution
- warkdarrior 3mo agoI don't know what is the right amount of management, and I'm sure there are some management roles that add no value, but it seems to me that you cannot have UPS function with just a CEO and, say, 10000 delivery drivers and no middle managers.
- calvinmorrison 3mo agoits just people underestimating what people do in their actual jobs. Every thing has a huge long tail of work. things like 'accounting' is obvious but there are entire jobs around just buying stuff, around logistics, around fleet management, around managing your staff (HR), there are LOTs of specialized roles and they're not all dumb because you think they don't do anything. Even in accounting there are many roles and subspecialties!
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoI think you misunderstood my comment, I was talking about different layers of management. Not different roles like accounting or sales etc. but there is absolutely no reason to have 10 different layers of management.
- calvinmorrison 3mo agofor someone like VAG or UPS why not? You can only remember/cram so much context into a single persons head, at some point you gotta split it up. In IT, you rarely see companies having managers with more than 6 direct reports. Of course in retail that number can bump up. But if you have a 4 or 5 thousand employees - you'll have 6 layers. Of course there are ways around it (I worked at F500 where i only talked to my boss rarely, and was managed by others on my team). VAG employs 600,000 people - that you have 8 or 10 layers is not absurd.
- PowerElectronix 3mo agoThey found out that manager do not, in fact, design, manufacture, test or sell cars. Also, wielding axes in a working environment is a big no-no, no wonder they're out.
- nradov 3mo agoThese corporate fads always run in cycles. Any large organization needs some resource managers but what is the optimal span of control? What tends to happen is that businesses lay off a bunch of managers and flatten the hierarchy. This does increase efficiency for a while. But then it becomes harder to keep individual contributors on track and focused towards key goals so the executives eventually end up hiring more managers again.
- ThouYS 3mo agomanagers shmanagers