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As the article points out, we’re not sure about the validity of these numbers. Anecdotally though, the idea of major creators like Linus Tech Tips and Marques

As the article points out, we’re not sure about the validity of these numbers. Anecdotally though, the idea of major creators like Linus Tech Tips and Marques Brownlee putting out Linux content was unheard of a few short years ago. I have been seeing a wide trend among the Windows tech-savvy universe of frustrated users who have social media platforms suggesting strongly that people give it a try. Plus, you’ve got Steam, which has made Linux an excellent game platform for the very large percentage of Windows desktop users who play games. I also find that the availability of AI makes troubleshooting for newbies way easier. Dump your error message in or describe what’s not working and you’re on your way. It is truly the year of the Linux desktop. I switched away from Windows thinking I’d still need a dual boot partition but so far I really don’t.

SoftTalker 3mo ago
In my experience, LLMs are not great at resolving linux issues, but they are better than what we've had in the past. Trying to use forums and web searches was exhausting, and you'd often deal with people who were trying to show how smart they are and rather than answering your questions they demand to know "what are you really trying to do?"
- Grombobulous 3mo ago
  I totally disagree there. My medium-technical non-programmer friend completely installed set up Linux without my help using Claude. As the resident IT person among my friend group this blew my mind. I’ve noticed that it’s helped me as well, because it’s able to give me diagnostic commands that I can run and report back with the results. For example, I fixed/set up a virtual machine with libvertd and I just wouldn’t have gotten that far without it, especially for when I broke the setup later.
  - ipdashc 3mo ago
    > medium-technical non-programmer friend completely installed set up Linux without my help using Claude I mean, not to do the HN thing, but I feel like if anything that's a bad sign for Linux that Claude was needed? Basically any desktop distro from the last decade has a simple GUI installer, if anything it's genuinely easier than installing Windows. I'd expect a medium-technical person to be able to handle it just fine, what did Claude help them with? I do use LLMs for random debugging questions (most recently laptop dual graphics for instance) but the base install has always worked fine for me
    - jcastro 3mo ago
      > what did Claude help them with? https://askubuntu.com/ https://askubuntu.com/ There's decades of this stuff.
    - pletnes 3mo ago
      Conversely, my windows 11 has fundamental issues that neither google nor claude can find solutions to.
      - lostlogin 3mo ago
        I wonder if AI recommends regular full reinstalls?
        pletnes 3mo ago
        It’s like this on a fresh install too
      - Grombobulous 3mo ago
        This reminds me of how my journey from Windows 11 to CachyOS on my gaming desktop happened because of something like this. I started getting driver crashes in certain games with my AMD 9070XT graphics card. Everything I tried didn’t work: DDU, reinstall, settings changes, etc. I don’t know if it was AMD or Microsoft’s fault, but I don’t really care, because everything is more stable on Linux and I’ve been able to run 100% of what I want to run.
    - mwwaters 3mo ago
      The Windows 11 ISO on a two year old Lenovo laptop did not have the Ethernet or WiFi driver. “Have Disk” also did not work for whatever reason when I downloaded the driver to a USB drive. I had to open up a command prompt within the Windows installer and run the GUI driver installer. In Linux, I now have a custom Arch install which Gemini did help with a lot. It helped unblock significantly where I wanted to get fundamental understanding. A Debian installer will just work though (ironically, some years ago, I had issues with Ubuntu working out of the box but not Debian).
    - 3mo ago
- basch 3mo ago
  LLM's also came at a time of search decay. Getting google to surface good results was approaching impossible, (although the new ai categories somehow are even worse as they are adding strange terms or location data to create new unrelated searches.) Hopefully there is a middle ground, where I can explain to my crawler which results look good, which dont, what it got wrong, and it adapts. A return to crawler/surfacer agents that work to find and retrieve would be a step in the right direction.
- ogig 3mo ago
  Hard disagree. Claude with full access to a system is an amazing forensic, digging through obscure dumps, configuring tracing and measuring results, fast. It's also an amazing interface, from setting up environments, tweaking hidden parameters and everyday operations. I don't have such a customized (and functional) system since I was a way more energized teenager with plenty of time to fiddle around. Now it's instant. I do think llm assisted linux has a bright future. It feels like scifi using a system with them, gluing all the power scattered in small tools.
  - SoftTalker 3mo ago
    They do pretty well at this, and like I said they're better than what we had before. But I've spent hours with LLMs trying to figure out kernel errors and going down rabbit holes that lead nowhere. Fortunately I've gotten pretty good at recognizing when this is happening.
- PacificSpecific 3mo ago
  I dare say LLMs were one of the things that finally pushed me over the top to be a full time Linux user. For a lifetime Windows user Linux novice like me they really helped me get unblocked on basic stuff like installing Nvidia drivers and setting up a samba share.
- zahlman 3mo ago
  > you'd often deal with people who were trying to show how smart they are and rather than answering your questions they demand to know "what are you really trying to do?" In over 30 years of using the Internet I have seen this question form countless times, and I have posed it myself countless times. I have never had it in mind to "show how smart I am", and cannot recall ever walking away with the impression that someone else was doing so. The goal is to solve the other person's problem; the rationale is a genuine belief that the other person has an https://xyproblem.info/ https://xyproblem.info/ . This belief is, often, motivated by confusion over the description of what's happened so far, or by the OP taking actions that seem inconsistent or needlessly convoluted. Getting help from other people, as a beginner in a field (any field) requires accepting that you might not yet know the right question to ask, or how to ask it. That's just how knowledge works. The worst thing about forums in my experience, by far, is people who pose as wanting help but who really just want to rant. Specifically for Linux forums, rant about Linux because it doesn't work like Windows.
- cpburns2009 3mo ago
  On the contrary, LLMs such as Claude Sonnet have been great for diagnosing complete system freezes that aren't logged, and handling iptables.
- techjamie 3mo ago
  LLMs are fantastic for helping with Nix stuff. Particularly the error logs, because Nix errors are atrocious to read. Being able to throw the error at an LLM and have it get to the point of what I need to fix is nice. I've also had it build me a nix flake for a piece of software that wasn't in the repo and save me a ton of effort running it. If it can solve Nix issues that well, given how relatively obscure Nix is, I don't think it'll struggle with most topics. Though the entire Nix repo being written in Nix and on GitHub might give it a huge boost in training visibility. It's not like other Linux topics aren't also very well represented though.
yomismoaqui 3mo ago
Don't forget PewDiePie, the last person I expected to do a video about migrating to Linux.
- throw453 3mo ago
  [flagged]
  - hatsuseno 3mo ago
    irrelevant in context, assuming you're right, but considering you made a throwaway to say it, probably not
    - cleaning 3mo ago
      You don't need to attempt to defend a known racist.
    - throw453 3mo ago
      There's a lot of recorded history of him being racist. Check the Wikipedia if you can't believe me
      - hatsuseno 3mo ago
        I just did, looks circumstational to me at worst, but okay, that's still not relevant to the context of this thread, or what?
      - hagbard_c 3mo ago
        Wikipedia is an unreliable source especially when it comes to 'narrative-affirming' claims.
    - fakedang 3mo ago
      He literally used the n-word in a stream, slip of tongue. It was such a big deal back then that even my Bloomberg Terminal thought it was worth mentioning for some reason.
marcosdumay 3mo ago
Well, it was always a safe guess that their "Unknown" numbers were almost all Linux.

SoftTalker 3mo ago

In my experience, LLMs are not great at resolving linux issues, but they are better than what we've had in the past. Trying to use forums and web searches was exhausting, and you'd often deal with people who were trying to show how smart they are and rather than answering your questions they demand to know "what are you really trying to do?"

Grombobulous 3mo ago
I totally disagree there. My medium-technical non-programmer friend completely installed set up Linux without my help using Claude. As the resident IT person among my friend group this blew my mind. I’ve noticed that it’s helped me as well, because it’s able to give me diagnostic commands that I can run and report back with the results. For example, I fixed/set up a virtual machine with libvertd and I just wouldn’t have gotten that far without it, especially for when I broke the setup later.
- ipdashc 3mo ago
  > medium-technical non-programmer friend completely installed set up Linux without my help using Claude I mean, not to do the HN thing, but I feel like if anything that's a bad sign for Linux that Claude was needed? Basically any desktop distro from the last decade has a simple GUI installer, if anything it's genuinely easier than installing Windows. I'd expect a medium-technical person to be able to handle it just fine, what did Claude help them with? I do use LLMs for random debugging questions (most recently laptop dual graphics for instance) but the base install has always worked fine for me
  - jcastro 3mo ago
    > what did Claude help them with? https://askubuntu.com/ https://askubuntu.com/ There's decades of this stuff.
  - pletnes 3mo ago
    Conversely, my windows 11 has fundamental issues that neither google nor claude can find solutions to.
    - lostlogin 3mo ago
      I wonder if AI recommends regular full reinstalls?
      - pletnes 3mo ago
        It’s like this on a fresh install too
    - Grombobulous 3mo ago
      This reminds me of how my journey from Windows 11 to CachyOS on my gaming desktop happened because of something like this. I started getting driver crashes in certain games with my AMD 9070XT graphics card. Everything I tried didn’t work: DDU, reinstall, settings changes, etc. I don’t know if it was AMD or Microsoft’s fault, but I don’t really care, because everything is more stable on Linux and I’ve been able to run 100% of what I want to run.
  - mwwaters 3mo ago
    The Windows 11 ISO on a two year old Lenovo laptop did not have the Ethernet or WiFi driver. “Have Disk” also did not work for whatever reason when I downloaded the driver to a USB drive. I had to open up a command prompt within the Windows installer and run the GUI driver installer. In Linux, I now have a custom Arch install which Gemini did help with a lot. It helped unblock significantly where I wanted to get fundamental understanding. A Debian installer will just work though (ironically, some years ago, I had issues with Ubuntu working out of the box but not Debian).
  - 3mo ago
basch 3mo ago
LLM's also came at a time of search decay. Getting google to surface good results was approaching impossible, (although the new ai categories somehow are even worse as they are adding strange terms or location data to create new unrelated searches.) Hopefully there is a middle ground, where I can explain to my crawler which results look good, which dont, what it got wrong, and it adapts. A return to crawler/surfacer agents that work to find and retrieve would be a step in the right direction.
ogig 3mo ago
Hard disagree. Claude with full access to a system is an amazing forensic, digging through obscure dumps, configuring tracing and measuring results, fast. It's also an amazing interface, from setting up environments, tweaking hidden parameters and everyday operations. I don't have such a customized (and functional) system since I was a way more energized teenager with plenty of time to fiddle around. Now it's instant. I do think llm assisted linux has a bright future. It feels like scifi using a system with them, gluing all the power scattered in small tools.
- SoftTalker 3mo ago
  They do pretty well at this, and like I said they're better than what we had before. But I've spent hours with LLMs trying to figure out kernel errors and going down rabbit holes that lead nowhere. Fortunately I've gotten pretty good at recognizing when this is happening.
PacificSpecific 3mo ago
I dare say LLMs were one of the things that finally pushed me over the top to be a full time Linux user. For a lifetime Windows user Linux novice like me they really helped me get unblocked on basic stuff like installing Nvidia drivers and setting up a samba share.
zahlman 3mo ago
> you'd often deal with people who were trying to show how smart they are and rather than answering your questions they demand to know "what are you really trying to do?" In over 30 years of using the Internet I have seen this question form countless times, and I have posed it myself countless times. I have never had it in mind to "show how smart I am", and cannot recall ever walking away with the impression that someone else was doing so. The goal is to solve the other person's problem; the rationale is a genuine belief that the other person has an https://xyproblem.info/ https://xyproblem.info/ . This belief is, often, motivated by confusion over the description of what's happened so far, or by the OP taking actions that seem inconsistent or needlessly convoluted. Getting help from other people, as a beginner in a field (any field) requires accepting that you might not yet know the right question to ask, or how to ask it. That's just how knowledge works. The worst thing about forums in my experience, by far, is people who pose as wanting help but who really just want to rant. Specifically for Linux forums, rant about Linux because it doesn't work like Windows.
cpburns2009 3mo ago
On the contrary, LLMs such as Claude Sonnet have been great for diagnosing complete system freezes that aren't logged, and handling iptables.
techjamie 3mo ago
LLMs are fantastic for helping with Nix stuff. Particularly the error logs, because Nix errors are atrocious to read. Being able to throw the error at an LLM and have it get to the point of what I need to fix is nice. I've also had it build me a nix flake for a piece of software that wasn't in the repo and save me a ton of effort running it. If it can solve Nix issues that well, given how relatively obscure Nix is, I don't think it'll struggle with most topics. Though the entire Nix repo being written in Nix and on GitHub might give it a huge boost in training visibility. It's not like other Linux topics aren't also very well represented though.

yomismoaqui 3mo ago

Don't forget PewDiePie, the last person I expected to do a video about migrating to Linux.

throw453 3mo ago
[flagged]
- hatsuseno 3mo ago
  irrelevant in context, assuming you're right, but considering you made a throwaway to say it, probably not
  - cleaning 3mo ago
    You don't need to attempt to defend a known racist.
  - throw453 3mo ago
    There's a lot of recorded history of him being racist. Check the Wikipedia if you can't believe me
    - hatsuseno 3mo ago
      I just did, looks circumstational to me at worst, but okay, that's still not relevant to the context of this thread, or what?
    - hagbard_c 3mo ago
      Wikipedia is an unreliable source especially when it comes to 'narrative-affirming' claims.
  - fakedang 3mo ago
    He literally used the n-word in a stream, slip of tongue. It was such a big deal back then that even my Bloomberg Terminal thought it was worth mentioning for some reason.

marcosdumay 3mo ago

Well, it was always a safe guess that their "Unknown" numbers were almost all Linux.