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I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc. A hamburger probably has a bet
by bronlund 2mo ago
I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc.
A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the feed, farmed salmon would be gray.
I could go on the whole day about this stuff. The whole thing is just sad.
- onesandofgrain 2mo agoAstaxanthin for the color fair. What about the salmon is bad for pregnant women?
- bronlund 2mo agoGrowth hormones. It’s better now than some years ago, but still. Some claim the do not use them at all. And they use a lot of antibiotics. And there is some accumulation of dioxins and PCBs in the fat due to the feed, but this has also been approved somewhat.
- ksec 2mo ago>Some claim the do not use them at all. It is against the law in most if not all EU countries. It is also the dispute between US and EU agriculture trade.
- throw-qqqqq 2mo agoFWIW, Norway is not a member of the EU - if that is what you are implying. If that is not your point, I apologize, but then I don’t see the connection (maybe you could elaborate?)
- masfuerte 2mo agoBut Norway is part of the EEA and is therefore bound by many EU regulations.
- olejorgenb 2mo agoCompared to most other meat production farmed salmon does not use a lot of antibiotics
- pvaldes 2mo ago> Growth hormones Would be antieconomic and is useless. But If you have recent data about this, please show the data. Take in mind that human growth hormones don't work in fishes if I remember correctly. > And they use a lot of antibiotics. Antibiotics like, for example? Terrestrial farms are totally different than sea farms. I don't think that Norwegians use more antibiotics than Thailand Panga farmers. Crustacicides, I'm sure that they use it, but "lots of" antibiotics claim... I'm sceptical about this. Comparing traditional aquaculture with Marine aquaculture is like saying that an ox chart and an electric vehicle are the same thing.
- rsolva 2mo agoFatty fish accumulates heavy metales and other unhealthy components and pregnant women in Norway is told to limit the intake. But it has been controversial, the industry is not happy with these recommendations!
- ndr 2mo agoI thought this was true for tuna and somewhat never registered it might be true for salmon too. I need to look this up and update, thank you.
- anamexis 2mo agoGenerally speaking, heavy metals accumulate as you move up the food chain, so it will be true for any large fish.
- pletnes 2mo agoFrom their food and over time, I assume? Since farmed salmon is fed and live a short life I would also assume that it has lower pollution levels than wild fish of similar size and composition.
- reenorap 2mo agoYou are exactly wrong. Farmed salmon has very high levels of heavy metals and PCB because the water where they are farmed is slow moving accumulate pollution. Wild ocean fish swim in the open ocean where overall pollution is less. That’s why if you buy omega 3 tablets it needs to be from ocean fish otherwise you’re getting a high level of toxic chemicals.
- Zigurd 2mo agoI can see this being sensible regarding, for example, swordfish, which is long lived apex predator. They get the bio accumulation of everything they eat. Farm salmon has a short life and a controlled diet. Where would they get heavy metals?
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- Aurornis 2mo ago> Astaxanthin for the color fair. Why is it fair? Wild salmon also consume astaxanthin. It’s like complaining that the farmers are bad for trying to mimic the fish’s natural diet.
- throw-qqqqq 2mo agoFarmed salmon meat is pink, whereas wild salmon meat is white/greyish. A dull color. They don’t put the coloring in the food to emulate natural food sources. They do it because it looks more appealing to most consumers.
- rypskar 2mo agoThe colour on wild salmon meat depends on the diet of the salmon, in the same way as for farmed salmon. All the wild salmon I have fished, even before salmon farming was big, have had red/pink meat since krill and shrimps are a large part of their diet in my area
- pvaldes 2mo ago> wild salmon meat is white/greyish. A dull color. You had not seen a lot of wild salmon, apparently. Is called salmon color for something. Sea trouts are the fishes with whitish meat normally. Both wild and cultured trouts can have "salmon" colored meat when feed on a diet rich in carotenes. All of this looks like the typical smear campaign online when Chinese need more time to develop some product. And then, suddenly, the plague of videos of "electric vehicles" burning on a garage vanished overnight. And now we can purchase Chinese electric vehicles.
- onesandofgrain 2mo agoI dont know what the fuck u r talking bout.
- wisty 2mo agoPCB contamination passed on from their fish meal in 2004, not sure if it's still an issue.
- panarky 2mo ago> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. A sensational statement that is utterly false. Per 100g, Norwegian farmed salmon has 0.1x the sodium, 0.5x the saturated fat, 2x the protein, 20x the Omega-3 fatty acids and infinity-x the vitamin D of your hamburger. Farmed salmon is a minimally processed single-ingredient protein, while your hamburger is ultra-processed and packed with refined carbs, added sugar and high-fructose corn syrup and chemicals synthesized in a lab. > Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. Presumably you're talking about growth hormones? Because that American fast-food hamburger has plenty of growth hormones. Under Norwegian law and European Union/EEA regulations, the use of growth hormones in fish farming is strictly illegal.
- eth0up 2mo agoPardon, but how the hell is my hamburger packed with preservatives? And how, other than grinding, is it ultra processed, especially if the beef was given to me by a local rancher? I do not understand? And where the hell did the corn syrup come from? I never put Aunt Jemima on my burgers? Not even brown sugar. Where in the - Grass-fed beef - Sourdough bun - Lettuce - Tomato - Onion Is all this stuff you cite? Any condiment in the known realm of terrestrial cuisine -- and even adult websites -- can be used on fish just as readily as a burger.
- eps 2mo agoPerfectly valid point actually, not sure why you are in gray.
- eth0up 2mo agoAppreciated, and I apologize not to the target-audience for my other vulgar comment, but to yourself and anyone else who may disagree with me, but at least has the dignity to stand by reason. One has to wonder why anyone would want to make such a comment invisible, as if they could not see it was already generally suppressed. That is essentially flagging. For a comment that made no false claim or insult. So while I am embarrassed for those who might defend me, I am not deleting my ugly comment. That is the type of comment that might actually deserve flagging, and it was also sincere.
- Aurornis 2mo ago> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Why would you think that? Ground beef typically has higher saturated fat than even farmed salmon and a lot less omega-3. A hamburger adds a refined carbohydrate bun and sauces on top of that. I think your political beliefs are overriding factual accuracy. > And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the food, farmed salmon would be gray. The color isn’t “fake”. It comes from Asataxanthin. Wild fish get it from food they eat. Farmed fish might get it from microalgae-derived sources. Why would it be “fake” if it’s the same chemical? They’re just feeding the farmed salmon the nutrients they need. Astaxanthin is also sold separately as a supplement because people seek it out, too. It’s not some evil fake chemical dye. The wild salmon naturally eat it, too.
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- pibaker 2mo ago> Howdy, My ability to upvote comments was, for reasons unspecified, suspended. After a brief interaction with dang, it was temporarily restored. Then, again for unknown reasons, was suspended once again. So don't expect an upvote from me. I simply can't. > Bravo, you spineless worm, salmon shill bastards. And he wonders why.
- eth0up 2mo agoGee, you might want to look in the mirror of your own words: "upvote" How would suppressing upvotes solve the occasional appropriately hostile comment to other hostile comments? That does not even make sense, just as the mythical demon burger you conjured from the dark depths of cognitive ineptitude, makes no sense. I also happen to mention, in the trimmed parameters of your selective excerpt, that I rarely downvote. Suppressing the ability to upvote has no plausible such effect as you imply. Allow me to put it, gently, in perspective for you: Indolent Opportunism. Similar to your mythical hamburger creation. It's fine to hate hamburgers, but have some epistemic integrity on the side.
- BurningFrog 2mo agoOn land we abandoned the hunter/gatherer system for farming thousands of years ago. Because it just doesn't scale! It can feed 50-100 million people at most. Maybe we need to empty the oceans of wild fish before we make that transition for seafood, but I hope it can happen a bit more quickly.
- klooney 2mo ago> Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development Do farm raised fish still have elevated heavy metal levels? I figured that getting human controlled food would cut down on that.
- pvaldes 2mo agoThe myth of the good savage strikes again. Animal cruelty is a such elastic term that I'm wondering why they don't use it still to make condoms. Predators trying to eat you alive all the time, cannibalism, diseases making tunnels in your muscle, famine, acid water, contamination, environmental changes, noise levels that could make you crazy. If you have luck you reproduce once and then die of exhaustion and skin infections. If not, a bear eats you alive just when you were thinking in losing your virginity at 40 Yo, finally. Or a fishermen puts a hook in your eye, or in the mouth just for fun, pulls you out of the water and lets you suffocate slowly. Or you bang your head against a concrete wall. This is the normal journey of a wild salmon. And this is NOT animal cruelty. This does not make you sad. If you are on a crusade to remove animal cruelty, look at all this people living in Tokyo. They are packed like sardines in a can. But humans are gregarious animals, so it does not matter!. (They are happy!). Salmons on the other way are gregarious animals, so it is a big problem!. (They are sad!. They talk to me complaining!) Is a problem, simply because it does not fit into our ideological vision of the world. An infantile paradise where salmons are nice little people with tiny hats that party with Pepa pig. They love bananas, football and to climb trees. (They must love it, because we do). The idea that salmons are predatory fishes and would not mind to eat their siblings if they can catch them... don't like that. Protect me from the real world, pikachu.
- varjag 2mo agoI remember meeting a Russian immigrant who thought Norwegian sour cream was synthetic because it wasn't watery as the one she had at home.