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Bad faith article that makes no mention of the TFWP and LMIA changes which is at least 20,000 individuals Edit: Also, the population of Canada has grown signif

Bad faith article that makes no mention of the TFWP and LMIA changes which is at least 20,000 individuals Edit: Also, the population of Canada has grown significantly (see: Century Initiative) As a percentage of total population, net migration is the same today as it was in 2011, and lower than it was 1991-2011.

alephnerd 2mo ago
FYI most Canadian immigrants also leave Canada once they become Canadian. Plenty of my family did that, and if we didn't first immigrate to the US we would have done the same as well decades ago. Canada was dealing with a brain drain well before TFWPs and LMIAs were a thing - all the way back to Thomas Edison's family.
- seanmcdirmid 2mo ago
  Did you mean to use “most” instead of “many”? I can see many doing that, I can’t really see most doing that. If you have numbers please share.
  - alephnerd 2mo ago
    Yep. I'm using "most" in place of many (I can't always be typing in academic prose on HN - it gets tiring at some point). The actual number is 20% of all Canadian immigrants leave Canada within 25 years of landing [0], and this rate is 2x higher amongst Canadian immigrants with a doctorate and is elevated amongst Canadian immigrants classified as "business and finance managers, ICT professionals, engineers, and architecture managers" [1]. And speaking anecdotally amongst the Asian American/Canadian community - most who I've known who landed in Canada as skilled immigrants left Canada for the US on a TN visa once they naturalized (even with Trump in office). In a number of cases, they chose Canada simply because they couldn't make it to America on their first try. [0] - https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/one-in-five-immigrants-are-leaving-canada-data-reveals-these-highly-skilled-newcomers-are-leading/article_2abd5ea0-43b6-4c22-8438-cae39f918811.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/one-in-five-immigrants-a... [1] - https://forcitizenship.ca/article/highly-skilled-immigrants-twice-as-likely-to-leave-canada/ https://forcitizenship.ca/article/highly-skilled-immigrants-...

alephnerd 2mo ago

FYI most Canadian immigrants also leave Canada once they become Canadian. Plenty of my family did that, and if we didn't first immigrate to the US we would have done the same as well decades ago. Canada was dealing with a brain drain well before TFWPs and LMIAs were a thing - all the way back to Thomas Edison's family.

seanmcdirmid 2mo ago
Did you mean to use “most” instead of “many”? I can see many doing that, I can’t really see most doing that. If you have numbers please share.
- alephnerd 2mo ago
  Yep. I'm using "most" in place of many (I can't always be typing in academic prose on HN - it gets tiring at some point). The actual number is 20% of all Canadian immigrants leave Canada within 25 years of landing [0], and this rate is 2x higher amongst Canadian immigrants with a doctorate and is elevated amongst Canadian immigrants classified as "business and finance managers, ICT professionals, engineers, and architecture managers" [1]. And speaking anecdotally amongst the Asian American/Canadian community - most who I've known who landed in Canada as skilled immigrants left Canada for the US on a TN visa once they naturalized (even with Trump in office). In a number of cases, they chose Canada simply because they couldn't make it to America on their first try. [0] - https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/one-in-five-immigrants-are-leaving-canada-data-reveals-these-highly-skilled-newcomers-are-leading/article_2abd5ea0-43b6-4c22-8438-cae39f918811.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/one-in-five-immigrants-a... [1] - https://forcitizenship.ca/article/highly-skilled-immigrants-twice-as-likely-to-leave-canada/ https://forcitizenship.ca/article/highly-skilled-immigrants-...