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No. Thats the whole point. The point is you have no rights digital or physical. That’s the problem. Disc are not magic totems. There is nothing promising you

by MBCook 2mo ago

No. Thats the whole point. The point is you have no rights digital or physical. That’s the problem. Disc are not magic totems. There is nothing promising you the disc you will work in 10 years, 10 months, 10 days. Nothing ensuring that you can resell it for >$0. They could trivially make the disc hold a one-time redemption for the game. If you buy a physical used copy of Anthem can you play it? Nope. They could do that with single player games. What’s the resale value of, effectively, a coaster? Can you lend it to a friend? Your current rights are about the coaster. Not the software. You happen to have abilities with physical discs because of tradition. You’re not guaranteed those. Digital makes that obvious. This is a rights issue.

saghm 2mo ago
> Disc are not magic totems. There is nothing promising you the disc you will work in 10 years, 10 months, 10 days. Nothing ensuring that you can resell it for >$0. They could trivially make the disc hold a one-time redemption for the game. I think the funniest thing about all of this to me is that we're literally talking about the company that put rootkits on their CDs to try to stop the content from being used in a way they didn't like. They might literally have the worst track record in history when it comes to predatory consumer behavior related to discs, and people are trying to get them to keep making them.
- MBCook 2mo ago
  That was Sony music, not Sony Computer Entertainment. Different divisions of a mega corp. We know divisions fight. The hardware business had to make MiniDisc worse so Sony Music wouldn’t be too mad.
  - saghm 2mo ago
    If you could point to a division that had incentive to try to block the types of online checks like I described, that would be one thing, but I don't think there's any evidence of that, so it's not that much of a leap to fall back to assuming that the overall incentives coming from the top of the company that led to the decision "let's put malware on the discs we sell to try to force people to buy even more of them in the future" might be relevant.

by MBCook 2mo ago

saghm 2mo ago

> Disc are not magic totems. There is nothing promising you the disc you will work in 10 years, 10 months, 10 days. Nothing ensuring that you can resell it for >$0. They could trivially make the disc hold a one-time redemption for the game. I think the funniest thing about all of this to me is that we're literally talking about the company that put rootkits on their CDs to try to stop the content from being used in a way they didn't like. They might literally have the worst track record in history when it comes to predatory consumer behavior related to discs, and people are trying to get them to keep making them.

MBCook 2mo ago
That was Sony music, not Sony Computer Entertainment. Different divisions of a mega corp. We know divisions fight. The hardware business had to make MiniDisc worse so Sony Music wouldn’t be too mad.
- saghm 2mo ago
  If you could point to a division that had incentive to try to block the types of online checks like I described, that would be one thing, but I don't think there's any evidence of that, so it's not that much of a leap to fall back to assuming that the overall incentives coming from the top of the company that led to the decision "let's put malware on the discs we sell to try to force people to buy even more of them in the future" might be relevant.